Vocalign Alternative

[dsgseven7]

Does anybody know a good alternative for Vocalign? I used this plugin once at a friend's studio and absolutely loved how fast it was to edit vocals layers / harmony! But F**k it's pretty expensive!
(I'm pretty sure someone did a similar thread but maybe a new company did somthing I'm looking for)
Thanks guys

 

[Studdy]

By hand? Time stretching etc.

 

[guy in latvia]

Are there any reaper users who have vocalign? Reaper doesnt have VST3 support and it would be awesome to be able to use this...

 

[egan.]

It is completely nuts if nothing else exists however I don't know of anything.

 

[ForHerDeadEyes]

I haven't tried it: http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/product.php?id=MAutoAlign
I've wanted to try it, but it's probably one of those plug-ins I never figure out how to use..

 

[ForHerDeadEyes]

 

[TRUIE]

I haven't tried it: http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/product.php?id=MAutoAlign
I've wanted to try it, but it's probably one of those plug-ins I never figure out how to use..

I own both Vocalign Project3 and MAutoAlign.
Totally 2 different plugins.
MAutoAlign is aimed to align multiple tracks/mics recorded from a same source (drum mics, multiple mics on a cab...etc).
It has nothing to do with Vocalign as it won't stretch anything, it apply a fixed delay and eventually flip polarity on every tracks in orded to obtain the "best" result.

FYI Vocalign Project 3 is cheaper here :
http://audiodeluxe.com/products/synchro-arts-vocalign-project-3

Sorry, I don't know any other alternative but I hope there are some.

 

[JeffTD]

Hand edit. I hate the way vocalign sounds.

 

[dsgseven7]

thank you guys!
So there is really no similar product out there?
My best option is to buy vocalign here (thank you so much Truie at this price I guess it worth it)

FYI Vocalign Project 3 is cheaper here :
http://audiodeluxe.com/products/synchro-arts-vocalign-project-3

Sorry, I don't know any other alternative but I hope there are some.

@Jeff for me Vocalign sounds fine and natural (depend on how much vocals has been stretched) but I guess it also sounds unatural if I stretch to death by hands. Vocalign is just a lot faster. What is wrong for you with Voalign?

 

[TRUIE]

You obviously have way more flexibility when editing by hand, stretching only the parts you want to (for example, only the sustained/end portion of a vocal, keeping the attack intact).
But it's also a lot time consuming if you have many vocal tracks/layers.

And that's the major pro of Vocalign, TIME !
Once your lead vocal track is edited, you can align everything else to it pretty quick, and if the doubles were tracked tight enough, the loss in quality is negligible to me.
And it sounds ridiculously tight !

It also depends a lot on the singing style : I mean, it works great on clean tracks, but on harsh vocals, screams, growls...etc, the artifacts are a bit more noticable.
I think it sounds way better to slip edit this kind of tracks if possible (but again, it depends on time and budget, and the results with Vocalign are still acceptable for this singing style if you don't have the choice).

 

[JeffTD]

@Jeff for me Vocalign sounds fine and natural (depend on how much vocals has been stretched) but I guess it also sounds unatural if I stretch to death by hands. Vocalign is just a lot faster. What is wrong for you with Voalign?

It absolute does not sound natural - it may lack artifacts on the edited tracks, but when you play vocaligned tracks and the original together they always sound smaller and pinched compared to a hand-edited track; vocalign makes it TOO perfect. I only use it if I've got huge stacks of bg vox that would take forever to edit by hand.

The real thing that kills Vocalign for me is that on a line with multiple notes in a single syllable (ie changing pitches in a held out word), it doesn't line up with the original very well; the slides/bends always end up wonky because they're basically impossible detect from the waveform itself.

 

[egan.]

FWIW if you go manual in Vocalign on intrasyllabic note changes you can address that. My experience has been that if you're close Vocalign is (much) faster and better than most manually editing options but it really shit the bed if you ask too much. I agree that the best use is huge vocal stacks and you are sacrificing some quality but if the vocals were close to begin with the differences are negligible. YMMV.
I do however believe this is the sort of functionality we should expect in DAW's at this point. It isn't a stretch to expect elastic audio (and the cubase equivalent) to conform vocals elegantly.

 

[Ermz]

VocAlign, in my experience, tends to work best if you're after a super-fake, chorused type stacked vocal sound. I rarely ever use it on straight doubled lead vocals as it kills the whole point of the double track. The time alignment is generally so spot-on that the only differences become the slight pitch and tone modulations between tracks, which creates a bizarre chorused type effect, and actually shrinks the perceived footprint of the vocals. As such, it's great in projects with a huge track count, but not necessarily ones in which you want the vocals to actually sound large... or good. Though do bear in mind that I'm basing my experience on an older version, which is really the only one I could reasonably bring myself to spend such a large amount of money on.

 

[crillemannen]

It absolute does not sound natural - it may lack artifacts on the edited tracks, but when you play vocaligned tracks and the original together they always sound smaller and pinched compared to a hand-edited track; vocalign makes it TOO perfect. I only use it if I've got huge stacks of bg vox that would take forever to edit by hand.

Yeah that's a real downside with using vocalign. If the singer is really good a manually edited track will sound bigger, fuller then the vocaligned one.

To bad manual edits take forever ... :/

 

[JeremyL]

Have any of you tried Revoice Pro? Here's how it compares to VocALign:

http://www.synchroarts.com/compare

 

[FIXXXER]

vocalign is outdated, try REVOICE PRO 3 guys, it's amazing, god damn expensive but it's worth the money.
it's also ON SALE from time to time, so if you're interested in buying, check out the link above, a few weeks ago it was 50% off.