that band is fucking horrible. if any band counts as being the number one shit sellout of the millenia its going to be marilyn manson. what a change in direction, style and sound.
i remember when people would insult the band and say, it sounds like circus music (like joe ptacek when i met broken hope many years back). back then it was remotely good, but now its just terrible. now it does sound like circus music. wheres the clwon car? manson is touring....