Who bitch is dis?
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Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
That beside the point of why I just need a transport and not a complete player though.
However, in my experience, there is a difference between a shit $100 sony cdp and a well built "mid-fi" cdp. But to each their own.
However, in my experience, there is a difference between a shit $100 sony cdp and a well built "mid-fi" cdp. But to each their own.
einride
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no, if you use a digital out, there is no "to each his own" to it, there is just digital data that is 100% identical every time the disc is read, no matter what the device is, and digital data does not care what brand name is on it or how the plastics feel or if it has magical himalayan resonance stones
it is 100% the same result regardless of whether you spend $500 or $50000
i don't mean to come off as confrontative, i'm just sick of audiophiles (not you) misunderstanding how digital audio works
it is 100% the same result regardless of whether you spend $500 or $50000
i don't mean to come off as confrontative, i'm just sick of audiophiles (not you) misunderstanding how digital audio works
J.
Old Fart
I dont know what any of that shit means. Just give me a cd player at home and in my car and fuckoff nowadays other shit
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
I don't feel like getting into it but it's more complicated than that, Erik. I'm def not one of the extreme audiophiles though. I just like good sound to heighten my experience of music.
einride
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sorry bud. i know digital audio and i know how computers work. it's actually not more complicated than that.
a digital audio stream is a digital audio stream.
if you bypass the DAC and use a digital out from a CD player, every cd player is identical, barring read errors, which do not come into play until you clean your driveway with the underside of a cd and then try to play it.
snake oil salesmen will try to make you think a $100 sony player will throw a bunch of read errors due to substandard transports or some shit like that and therefore you need some expensive shit that supposedly reads the bits better but that's verifiably bullshit. capture the bitstream from the sony player and from any $500000 snakeoil, inc. bullshit player and it will be identical. it's just digital data, it's a file, it's identical.
i'm not going to try to stop you from buying an expensive cd player if it makes you happy, but digital audio does not give a shit about the price tag. it just works, the same way, every time.
a digital audio stream is a digital audio stream.
if you bypass the DAC and use a digital out from a CD player, every cd player is identical, barring read errors, which do not come into play until you clean your driveway with the underside of a cd and then try to play it.
snake oil salesmen will try to make you think a $100 sony player will throw a bunch of read errors due to substandard transports or some shit like that and therefore you need some expensive shit that supposedly reads the bits better but that's verifiably bullshit. capture the bitstream from the sony player and from any $500000 snakeoil, inc. bullshit player and it will be identical. it's just digital data, it's a file, it's identical.
i'm not going to try to stop you from buying an expensive cd player if it makes you happy, but digital audio does not give a shit about the price tag. it just works, the same way, every time.
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
Oh, bypassing the DAC? Well, yeah...I can get down with what you're saying moreso. You weren't clear on that in your initial post.
einride
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i don't wanna be that guy but i'd say that's pretty clear tbh
EDIT: and to be clear, there are plenty of $100 sony players with optical digital outs or whatever. if you use those, they will be functionally identical to every other cd player with a digital out.
i feel like there are no words that mean "literally" anymore because "literally" is so overused
but it's an absolute 1:1 equivalency with no wiggle room. literally the same in every way.
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
Functionally identical, sure.
Joking aside, I read that sentence you quoted as meaning something different to what you probably mean. Has to be.
Anyways, there is a difference between shit players and not-so-shit players. I'm not here to convince you otherwise and you won't convince me at all so let's leave it at that.
Joking aside, I read that sentence you quoted as meaning something different to what you probably mean. Has to be.
Anyways, there is a difference between shit players and not-so-shit players. I'm not here to convince you otherwise and you won't convince me at all so let's leave it at that.
einride
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okay but i want you to understand this: CDs are a digital medium so they store a stream of bytes
and if the bytes on the cd go
1F 83 10 1A 55 04 9A
then the bytes going through the digital out are
1F 83 10 1A 55 04 9A
and the bytes going into your external dac are
1F 83 10 1A 55 04 9A
and if you rip it into the computer the bytes are
1F 83 10 1A 55 04 9A
it's literally just numbers, they can not and will not change due to any external circumstances ever. this is not a matter of "let's agree to disagree", this is actual real science.
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
What you're saying is correct. I know.
edit: that doesn't mean all cdp's sound the same though.
sure, in a vacuum, what you're saying is all that matters.
but i think you're comparing all cd transports, in which case, i'm def on board with your point aside from some handle shit discs better than others which has nothing to do with sound though, of course.
excuse the vernacular.
edit: that doesn't mean all cdp's sound the same though.
sure, in a vacuum, what you're saying is all that matters.
but i think you're comparing all cd transports, in which case, i'm def on board with your point aside from some handle shit discs better than others which has nothing to do with sound though, of course.
excuse the vernacular.
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