Will we all be part of this doomsday cult?

[Norsemaiden]

"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."

Munger also asked Palin if she truly believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. "She looked in my eyes and said, 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.'"

Bess is unnerved by the prospect of Palin -- a woman whose mind is given to dogmatic certitude -- standing one step away from the Oval Office. "It's truly frightening that someone like Sarah has risen to the national level," Bess said. "Like all religious fundamentalists -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim -- she is a dualist. They view life as an ongoing struggle to the finish between good and evil. Their mind-set is that you do not do business with evil -- you destroy it. Talking with the enemy is not part of their plan. That puts someone like Obama on the side of evil.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index1.html


McCain has been closely associated with Pastor John Hagee, who has put forward plans for how WWIII should go ahead to bring about this "end of days" scenario.

I also found this worrying information, which I think there is at least a grain of truth to:
http://www.apocalypse-no.net/en/index.php
but I really don't buy the Iranian president or Putin being a part of it.

Now DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN THE "CONSPIRACY" ASPECT

Sarah Palin really did say those things in that interview. And that makes me wonder how the most powerful nation on Earth could possibly have, as a leader, anyone as completely and dangerously insane as that?

It is amazing enough that a toilet cleaner would have such a belief let alone someone that millions of Americans would drive for miles to cast a vote in favour of.

What can this tell us?

 

[Norsemaiden]

What we can safely say is that Palin (like Hagee and McCain) have a crazy idea in which certain world events fit as if they were ordained by God and predicted in Revelations.

Bearing in mind the mindset of these lunatics - consider the recent financial disaster on wall street. This is how Palin quite probably sees it: as part of God's plan for the end of the world.


Look at this quote that came from a so-called "illuminati" defector - you can re-interpret it to see how Palin and fellow nutcases might view it

"Want to hear the end of the world scenario the Illuminati taught me? It was cult
propaganda, but this is how they believed the New Order would be ushered in:

There will be continued conflict in the mideast, with a severe threat of nuclear
war being the culmination of these hostilities. An economic collapse that will devastate the economy of the US and Europe, much like the great depression.

One reason that our economy continues limping along is the artificial supports
that the Federal Reserve had given it, manipulating interest rates, etc. But one
day, this won't work (or this leverage will be withdrawn on purpose) and the next
great depression will hit.

The government will call in its bonds and loans, and credit card debts will be called in. There will be massive bankruptcies nationwide. Europe will stabilize first,and Germany, France and England (surprise) will have the strongest economies, and will institute through the UN an international currency. Japan will also pull out, although their economy will be weakened.

Peacekeeping forces will be sent out by the UN and local bases to prevent riots. The leaders will reveal themselves, and people will be asked to make a pledge of loyalty during a time of chaos and financial devastation.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this,
and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free,
owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they
may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income.
Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless
(remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate
money was after the collapse).

All this said, it could just be cult propaganda taught to me and others to frighten
us. It may be that none of this will happen. I sincerely hope not. I also strongly
believe that God is able to stay the hand of the wicked, and to take care of our
nation and others, if we turn to Him."

http://www.savethemales.ca/index.html

All I can say is that I would rather believe things are being deliberately orchestrated than that a lot of highly improbable coincidences would pile up to the glee of the doom sayers - falling in with their hysterical cult.

 

[Fenrisúlfr]

One cannot believe all that one reads; typical schitzo taurus faeces. The precious metals community is plagued by such people who attach credibility at the first glance of one of the following words: NWO, Illuminati, suppressed, UN...or similar in the sillier circles. Yes, the government has been BSing data for years, and yes, the Federal Reserve enables fiscal recklessness, that does not mean it was somehow aligned to cause all of this.

And not one word that China's 'peaceful rise' doctrine involves not pissing off the US...which implies not triggering an emergcy bond sale, so it will continue to lend the US the money, and in doing so artificially deflates interest rates.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Einherjar86]

We can't discriminate against someone purely for believing in Creationism and Revelations. When it begins to affect a politician's decisions in a drastic manner, then we can find complaint and error. However, if she merely states that she believe these things, we have no reason to ban her from running. She's an American, and in America people believe what they want. It actually frustrates me that people become irate simply over the fact that Palin isn't afraid to admit what she believes.

That said, I don't agree with her policies on abortion or gay marriage, both of which are influenced by her religion. However, if she wishes to believe in Creationism, I really couldn't give a shit.

 

[Fenrisúlfr]

Our ultimate recourse is emigration, which I shall be exercising in the near future. The US is for those with no better options, like illegals, and of course those too dumb to acquire the resources to emigrate. Let them receive the government they deserve, for we will not reap what they sow.

 

[Norsemaiden]

When I read that about Palin I suddenly felt really disorientated and was reminded of the episode in The Simpsons where everything seems normal to Homer, and then suddenly it starts raining donuts and his family think it is normal but he is distraught because it is totally surreal and he is clearly in a parallel universe that has some really strange things happening. Palin's views, combined with her influence is to me just as bizarre as if it started raining donuts right now. So why are the rest of you so complacent about it? AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!

 

[razoredge]

I wont say Im complacient about it. On the other hand we have Obama whos said to have associations with communism and is ready to become a Muslim. The whole thing is fucked up this time around and I dont think the media spin helps much. The changes I've seen in everything the past 15 years, bugs the hell out of me, all this yuppyism, all this "world (global)" bullshit, all the liberalism with the conservative side going toward other extremes. Its as if no one is just plain normal anymore with concerns for the big issues, everyone picking around about the petty little bullshit and sucking up all the distractions. To me the gays can go fuck themselves, which they do quite well at. The right to lifers can go fuck themselves. The pro immigration people can go fuck themselves. The legalize drug people can go fuck themselves, this is all petty personal bullshit which our government need not spend time on. We have economic problems, we have a giant seperation of the classes through wicked economic practices, we have capitalism in extreme abuse, we have the large percentage of the population dancing to the tune of puppet masters, we are in decline as Rome was due to over self indulgence. America is suffering for being shamed or threatened into fucked up UNFAIR trade agreements for dropping bombs on a country that would not surrender. The entire thing is one great big fucking mess and we are distracted by stupid little gay, right to life, freedom of speach, lets feel sorry for the people of such and such a country.... why ? because the wankery of mankind has become astounding and the media sends people straight into the distractions. Theres this big issue about "the middle class", WTF ? They are the ones that fell for the credit fiasco, found it trendy to feel sorry for other peoples that never lifted a finger to help themselves, hire illegals to baby sit the kids, mow their lawn, keep their lazy assed house clean. The thing is so big and so fucked up someone could write a book and still not cover the entire mess that is the result of the past 30 years.

 

[OldScratch]

And that makes me wonder how the most powerful nation on Earth could possibly have, as a leader, anyone as completely and dangerously insane as that?

By most accounts, we already have had this for the past eight years. Bush is a well known born-again convert, and likely believes the same or similar Sunday-school nonsense that Palin does. That notwithstanding it is as disturbing as it is pathetic...

 

[Einherjar86]

It's not disturbing. Bush has the same beliefs. And what has changed? Evolution is still taught in schools, it's still widely taught/believed that dinosaurs and humans did not live together, and whether or not Revelations will come true is a moot point.

These are personal beliefs. It's really no big concern of mine.

 

[OldScratch]

It's not disturbing. Bush has the same beliefs. And what has changed? Evolution is still taught in schools, it's still widely taught/believed that dinosaurs and humans did not live together, and whether or not Revelations will come true is a moot point.

These are personal beliefs. It's really no big concern of mine.

Are you suggesting that one's "personal beliefs" should not be expected to profoundly influence their actions, their worldview, their approach to policy, political appointments and the like? You speak as if "personal beliefs" are known to be commonly entirely apart from one's politics, one's decision making, etc.
This is surely news to me!

Moreover, it does disturb me that people still believe the most implausible and silly things in the name of "religion" in this day and age. Clinging to archaic, desert fairy-tales as a belief-system is nothing I can respect or condone in a would-be leader. That is simply my opinion. That Bush "has the same beliefs" is not exactly a comfort.

That these beliefs may in fact NOT directly influence policy(ie. teaching evolution-theory, etc.)is altogether possible...but isn't it more likely that even indirectly they will?(stem-cell research, middle-east policy, etc.)

In the grand scheme of things, I may not lose any sleep over this either as it is hardly a new situation(see Bush, etc.)...but I still find it sad that so many, particularly those seeking power, yet look to myths and christs for direction and inspiration.

 

[Einherjar86]

Are you suggesting that one's "personal beliefs" should not be expected to profoundly influence their actions, their worldview, their approach to policy, political appointments and the like? You speak as if "personal beliefs" are known to be commonly entirely apart from one's politics, one's decision making, etc.
This is surely news to me!

Is it?!

No, I'm not saying that. Of course one's personal beliefs can be expected to influence their policy-making. Personal beliefs always affect a person's choices, be they personal or political. However, it is flawed and biased to assume that one will make poor choices based on their beliefs. The articles posted say nothing of what the candidates propose to do. All the article portrays are some questions that the candidates have answered, and they're potential actions are being judged by their responses. Palin may have no desire to push for the banning of evolutionary study in schools, but we automatically assume that she will. This is what I don't agree with. It's basically the same as saying someone shouldn't run because they believe marijuana should be legalized. To some that might sound crazy; to others it may sound plausible. Either way, it does not necessarily mean that the candidate will push for the legalization of marijuana. It may simply be a personal belief that he/she chose to voice.

The disgust towards Palin in this thread is being based purely off of personal beliefs that have no correlation (based on the articles) with their political intentions.

Now, we do know that religion is a factor for Palin, because we know she's against gay marriage and abortion. So we have some greater knowledge of the subject. However, if someone did not have any notion of the candidate's political motives, this article would be misleading. Logically, it's inaccurate to assume what a candidate will do based on personal religious/moral beliefs.

 

[Demonic viscera]

funny thing about religion mixed with politics is that it makes politics one sided. Not that it isn't anyways , but it is narrowing down the chance of logical decisions. Politics can be broken down into two words. Poly , wich means many , and tics, blood sucking insects.

 

[metal_wrath]

When I read that about Palin I suddenly felt really disorientated and was reminded of the episode in The Simpsons where everything seems normal to Homer, and then suddenly it starts raining donuts and his family think it is normal but he is distraught because it is totally surreal and he is clearly in a parallel universe that has some really strange things happening. Palin's views, combined with her influence is to me just as bizarre as if it started raining donuts right now. So why are the rest of you so complacent about it? AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!

Many believe there are more pressing issues related to Palin's lack of experience, complete lack of foreign policy experience, allegations of corruption, and issues with her family...

The media has shifted the focus from her personal and religious beleifs. Most people are not aware or concerned with her religious beleifs, they don't think it is relevant.

I agree it is scary that someone with these radical beliefs has a chance at being in the highest office. However there is not much chance that Mccain will be elected.

 

[metal_wrath]

I wont say Im complacient about it. On the other hand we have Obama whos said to have associations with communism and is ready to become a Muslim.

What makes you believe these rumors? "Associations with communism" that is one I haven't heard and quite ridiculous. There is no evidence to these rumors which is exactly what they are. Obama is not a muslim, not that there is something wrong with being a muslim. This rumor is used to feed into the anti Muslim sentiment. You should be more concernedwith Palin's actual religious faith and her beliefs which pose a real threat and which people seem to accept as normal.

 

[razoredge]

What makes you believe these rumors? "Associations with communism" that is one I haven't heard and quite ridiculous. There is no evidence to these rumors which is exactly what they are. Obama is not a muslim, not that there is something wrong with being a muslim. This rumor is used to feed into the anti Muslim sentiment. You should be more concernedwith Palin's actual religious faith and her beliefs which pose a real threat and which people seem to accept as normal.

Feeding into anti muslim sentiment doesnt need any help and we sure as hell dont need muslims in our government, they are not part of our culture nor what made us, they are doing a great job of breaking us however, victory is not hard with a country full of idiots worried about hurting someones "feelings".

Why do you ask why I believe in "such rumors" ? That was exactly the point of my bringing it up. None the less there is some guy that was a registered communist that Obama has stated as being his mentor. I dont have the time to look it up now and give reference. It doesnt matter to me as I have some communistic and socialistic values... so Im told. I was simply pointing out that everyone has "dirt" if one wants to look.

Palins religious beliefs or pretence there of are no concern of mine either. I have lived in this country my entire life and we have always had plenty of religious people. Most likely what made it as decent as it once was. Politicians pretending to be religious is a joke that I only see as a targeted vote getter. The republicians have little chance of getting elected this time around, same as it was when everyone had had enough of the Regan/Bush Sr. era. The biggest hurtle for Obama is some of the affilations he has had, but he's as good as elected in my predictions.

 

[metal_wrath]

Feeding into anti muslim sentiment doesnt need any help and we sure as hell dont need muslims in our government, they are not part of our culture nor what made us, they are doing a great job of breaking us however, victory is not hard with a country full of idiots worried about hurting someones "feelings".

Why do you ask why I believe in "such rumors" ? That was exactly the point of my bringing it up. None the less there is some guy that was a registered communist that Obama has stated as being his mentor. I dont have the time to look it up now and give reference. It doesnt matter to me as I have some communistic and socialistic values... so Im told. I was simply pointing out that everyone has "dirt" if one wants to look.

Palins religious beliefs or pretence there of are no concern of mine either. I have lived in this country my entire life and we have always had plenty of religious people. Most likely what made it as decent as it once was. Politicians pretending to be religious is a joke that I only see as a targeted vote getter. The republicians have little chance of getting elected this time around, same as it was when everyone had had enough of the Regan/Bush Sr. era. The biggest hurtle for Obama is some of the affilations he has had, but he's as good as elected in my predictions.

Your post shows an amazing amount of bigotry. You seem to believe that this country is a White Christian Democracy. This is a unrealistic notion, it is obvious this country is neither White, Christian or a Democracy, nor do these concepts go hand in hand. There is no culture in this country which you seem to believe exists. There is no pure American race or religion nor political ideology. As far as Muslims "breaking" our country, I will not go into how much brainwash which feeds into this belief. The fact is this government does not care about any one religion, this country has dealings with all religions at the highest level of government and they will gladly shed "white christian american" blood as an offering to the oil sheik billionaires etc...

If you want to point out Obama's affiliation with some preacher, why not look into Palin's affiliations. For instance her husband membership in the Alaskan Independence Party which wants to secede from the USA.