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[I_AM_CANADIAN!]

Why thank you, dude.

 

[RiderOfJustice]

 

[Macharius]

check out www.godsaidmansaid.com i don't really agree with the site but just look at it and see how they bash science.

 

[Swabs]

Because you're a man of science, you're masculine and you don't use your right brain as much. Religion is like imagination. With science, you expect the realms of impossibility too often, while non-science people ask: "If it's impossible, what's creating the possibility of restricting its physical boundaries?" Satanism doesn't contradict itself, and I think subconsciously xians have affected your ability to trust other religions. You say it's not feasible because you see no rational explanation whatsoever, as you use scientific resources, when you could use your imagination. Nothing about life is rational I believe that there are more planes of existence than the physical, such as the dream world, the death plane, the mental plane, etc. These all operate in the same way, and spiritual is the most dominant plane which means everything feeds from spiritual means

Oh I am a very right brained person, 3 of my A-levels are in Art, Photography and English Literature.

I just don't see the point in believing in any sort of god, I also think that there is no point in living your life obiding by some rules from a book/scroll/prophet that you don't even know are true, simply because there is a farfetched and unlikely chance that a "heaven" just might exist. Live for the sake of living, not for the non-existent afterlife.

Also, all of the evidence and discoveries that science has made, make perfect sense, the Bing Bang seems perfectly plausible due to the fact that all objects in the universe are constantly moving away from each other.

 

[Black Core]

Hmmm, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate (please pardon the pun) if you will. Most of you here know me as one who spends most of my life in the books, particularly science. I'm not going to take any sides here because I prefer to watch if anything but I'd just like to throw out some food for though.

Who says a higher being needs to have god-like status? Perhaps there is alien life out there who made themselves known to humanity long, long ago and set the spark of religion. "God" in fact may not be supernatural but physical and by showing itself around ancient times where the concept of science was still young, was perceived by the ancient people as "God" or "Gods".

I know that was pretty far fetched but at least it gives you guys something else to work with. A new element so to speak.

By the way has any one heard of the Multiverse theory proposed by professor David Deutsch? It's interesting stuff.

would dark matter be considered an alien?

I only know the string theory (at least part of it)

 

[Black Core]

Religion = Lame.

You = lame

 

[eternal alchemist]

We must destroy the moon:Smug:

 

[I_AM_CANADIAN!]

would dark matter be considered an alien?

I only know the string theory (at least part of it)

Hmmm, dark matter. I don't think it would be considered the type of alien I was making reference to. All I've known dark matter to be is an unobserved phenomena that fits into the category of matter but doesn't absorb or emit enough electromagnetic radiation to be directly detected. The only reason scientists think it's there is because something (that can't be observed) is having gravitational effects on visible matter. There's a whole theory behind it and I really don't know much about it, I'll need to go and read up on it when I've got time. As for your question I really don't know, perhaps somebody smarter then me can answer it for you.

 

[Igraine]

Lady laiho opinion totally went unnoticed, and that's kinda funny here... We need a new weird user to have fun to!

 

[ShadowDancer]

Hmmm, dark matter. I don't think it would be considered the type of alien I was making reference to. All I've known dark matter to be is an unobserved phenomena that fits into the category of matter but doesn't absorb or emit enough electromagnetic radiation to be directly detected. The only reason scientists think it's there is because something (that can't be observed) is having gravitational effects on visible matter. There's a whole theory behind it and I really don't know much about it, I'll need to go and read up on it when I've got time. As for your question I really don't know, perhaps somebody smarter then me can answer it for you.

I thought that dark matter was noticed preciesly because it did absorb vast amounts of electromagnetic radiation ? Hence it being dark matter, we can obserb alot of matter "disapearing" into various points in our galaxy, or am I wrong about that ?

I think the question of religion comes down to just one thing at the end of the day. Faith. You either have faith in it or you don't. If you don't then you are not going to belive in it, you are always going to have a logical explanation, and if you do then no amount of reasoning will persuade you otherwise. Alot of people need faith, they need to belive in something to carry on going, the only problem is when they can't accept that others don't agree with them.

I have to say that I am reading that website, GODSAIDMANSAID, and I find it interesting, but at the same time alot of the arguments flawed.

 

[eternal alchemist]

Luckily I'm perfectly fine, I don't thrive on my beliefs to continue living

 

[Grimes]

I thought that dark matter was noticed preciesly because it did absorb vast amounts of electromagnetic radiation ? Hence it being dark matter, we can obserb alot of matter "disapearing" into various points in our galaxy, or am I wrong about that ?

I think the question of religion comes down to just one thing at the end of the day. Faith. You either have faith in it or you don't. If you don't then you are not going to belive in it, you are always going to have a logical explanation, and if you do then no amount of reasoning will persuade you otherwise. Alot of people need faith, they need to belive in something to carry on going, the only problem is when they can't accept that others don't agree with them.

I have to say that I am reading that website, GODSAIDMANSAID, and I find it interesting, but at the same time alot of the arguments flawed.

I checked out that godsaidMANSAID site and listened to their arguments about breast feeding and homosexuality. It's interesting in the respect that they actually do give scientific fact against what the bible had to say but I doubt any and all of that information is not at all altered. I find it hypocritical in the sense that he insists scientific fact rids peoples choice of fate, however their god has 'choosen their path' in the first place to eternal carnal enslavement. Hmm..

 

[ShadowDancer]

I checked out that godsaidMANSAID site and listened to their arguments about breast feeding and homosexuality. It's interesting in the respect that they actually do give scientific fact against what the bible had to say but I doubt any and all of that information is not at all altered. I find it hypocritical in the sense that he insists scientific fact rids peoples choice of fate, however their god has 'choosen their path' in the first place to eternal carnal enslavement. Hmm..

Their page fell down for me in their logic on the first page. While claiming that when asked, several students could not provide a definition of what proof is (convinient, as there as undoubtly a majority of them that could articulate it very well) he then sites a reference from the bible as to a definition. You can't take the item in question of proof for a definition of what proof actually is.

He does this repeatedly throughout the website, and while refusing to accept that there is any proof for many well known scientific methods.

E.g. when he says that Carbon (14) dateing is flawed because it fails once in every 10,000 trials, whilst the bible is fact because it has predicted things that are true every time thousands of years in advance (while failing to mention what these events are, and in what way the bible predicted them).

That website is interesting for a while but falls down into senseless science bashing very quickly, which is often insulting in it's constant arrogant assumption that the bible is beyond questioning.

It still worrys me that there are people like this out there.

 

[follow_the_reaper]

dude. if thats real, your fucking weird.

 

[Grimes]

Their page fell down for me in their logic on the first page. While claiming that when asked, several students could not provide a definition of what proof is (convinient, as there as undoubtly a majority of them that could articulate it very well) he then sites a reference from the bible as to a definition. You can't take the item in question of proof for a definition of what proof actually is.

He does this repeatedly throughout the website, and while refusing to accept that there is any proof for many well known scientific methods.

E.g. when he says that Carbon (14) dateing is flawed because it fails once in every 10,000 trials, whilst the bible is fact because it has predicted things that are true every time thousands of years in advance (while failing to mention what these events are, and in what way the bible predicted them).

That website is interesting for a while but falls down into senseless science bashing very quickly, which is often insulting in it's constant arrogant assumption that the bible is beyond questioning.

It still worrys me that there are people like this out there.

It sickens me that there actually is people out there like that, and a majority of population look at these individuals as heros or wisemen.

 

[Black Core]

Hmmm, dark matter. I don't think it would be considered the type of alien I was making reference to. All I've known dark matter to be is an unobserved phenomena that fits into the category of matter but doesn't absorb or emit enough electromagnetic radiation to be directly detected. The only reason scientists think it's there is because something (that can't be observed) is having gravitational effects on visible matter. There's a whole theory behind it and I really don't know much about it, I'll need to go and read up on it when I've got time. As for your question I really don't know, perhaps somebody smarter then me can answer it for you.

the dark matter has been mapped recently

 

[eternal alchemist]

It sickens me that there actually is people out there like that, and a majority of population look at these individuals as heros or wisemen.

Aye. Me too They all say dinosaurs didn't exist, or that they were existant in the 6000 year time span that the world was created when the Egyptians existed around about then, when scientifically proved that men are not powerful enough to beat a race of giant carnivores without the correct weapons. I think satanism is probably the only useful religion, if any, because it supports science all the way, and that christianity and other sub-sects are to blame for its sluggish upgrade in technology and scientific advancement, so that science itself is too downgraded to currently make occultism plausible. As you can see, recent studies have shown that telepathy and telekinetic powers of man are not impossible, though are rather unknown and mysterious to the common man at this moment. Look at tarot cards. If you've ever bought a pack for yourself, you'll see they give excellent advice without in fact having a conscience of their own. People say that when we draw the 4 cards to make a reading, our subconscious determines when we should pick a card at random, as a way to tell us what is going on in our lives, and how to solve it. Everytime I've gave myself a reading, I take the advice of the cards, as it works like a charm without fail. Science hasn't proven this is impossible, because it's equally likely they haven't studied it enough to proove it yet.

 

[Swabs]

I think the only useful religion with a plausible purpose is Buddhism, it's just the idea of believing in the existence of a state of inner peace and dedicating yourself to reaching that state.


I would still never take part in it though.

 

[eternal alchemist]

I think the only useful religion with a plausible purpose is Buddhism, it's just the idea of believing in the existence of a state of inner peace and dedicating yourself to reaching that state.


I would still never take part in it though.

Don't you want to attain inner peace and rid the world of all xians?

 

[Swabs]

Ridding the world of all religion would be more effective.