A Work Force Betrayed

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I am in favour of the suggestions offered (in bold). What economists have neglected is that free trade only works if both parties keep it free. China has continuously subsidized its industries, manipulated its currency, and suborned piracy of western goods.

A tariff would be the more desirable of the two, as it would directly tax the products, not the company. However, in lieu, the latter suggestion would be feasible though somewhat undesireable on account that it would merely hasten the offshoring process.

However, such an issue is a two-way street. If Washington was not burying employers in red tape, China or India would not seem so appealing. In many cases, it is a necessary business practice as doing business in the United States is rapidly becoming infeasible. What do you think those government employees they hire do all day anyway?

Unfortunately, as the US is a party to the World Trade Organization and NAFTA agreements, a re-negotiation of these treaties would be necessary to make possible the aforementioned proposals.

Watching Greed Murder the Economy


By Paul Craig Roberts

09/07/08 "ICH" -- - The collapse of world socialism, the rise of the high speed Internet, a bought-and-paid-for US government, and a million dollar cap on executive pay that is not performance related are permitting greedy and disloyal corporate executives, Wall Street, and large retailers to dismantle the ladders of upward mobility that made America an “opportunity society.” In the 21st century the US economy has been able to create net new jobs only in nontradable domestic services, such as waitresses, bartenders, government workers, hospital orderlies, and retail clerks. (Nontradable services are “hands on” services that cannot be sold as exports, such as haircuts, waiting a table, fixing a drink.)

Corporations can boost their bottom lines, shareholder returns, and executive performance bonuses by arbitraging labor across national boundaries. High value- added jobs in manufacturing and in tradable services can be relocated from developed countries to developing countries where wages and salaries are much lower. In the United States, the high value-added jobs that remain are increasingly filled by lower paid foreigners brought in on work visas.

When manufacturing jobs began leaving the US, no-think economists gave their assurances that this was a good thing. Grimy jobs that required little education would be replaced with new high tech service jobs requiring university degrees. The American work force would be elevated. The US would do the innovating, design, engineering, financing and marketing, and poor countries such as China would manufacture the goods that Americans invented. High-tech services were touted as the new source of value-added that would keep the American economy preeminent in the world.

The assurances that economists gave made no sense. If it pays corporations to ship out high value-added manufacturing jobs, it pays them to ship out high value-added service jobs. And that is exactly what US corporations have done.

Automobile magazine (August 2008) reports that last March Chrysler closed its Pacifica Advance Product Design Center in Southern California. Pacifica’s demise followed closings and downsizings of Southern California design studios by Italdesign, ASC, Porsche, Nissan, and Volvo. Only three of GM’s eleven design studios remain in the US.

According to Eric Noble, president of The Car Lab, an automotive consultancy, “Advanced studios want to be where the new frontier is. So in China, studios are popping up like rabbits.”

The idea is nonsensical that the US can remain the font of research, innovation, design, and engineering while the country ceases to make things. Research and product development invariably follow manufacturing. Now even business schools that were cheerleaders for offshoring of US jobs are beginning to wise up. In a recent report, “Next Generation Offshoring: The Globalization of Innovation,” Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business finds that product development is moving to China to support the manufacturing operations that have located there.

The study, reported in Manufacturing & Technology News, acknowledges that “labor arbitrage strategies continue to be key drivers of offshoring,” a conclusion that I reached a number of years ago. Moreover, the study concludes, jobs offshoring is no longer mainly associated with locating IT services and call centers in low wage countries. Jobs offshoring has reached maturity, “and now the growth is centered around product and process innovation.”

According to the Fuqua School of Business report, in just one year, from 2005 to 2006, offshoring of product development jobs increased from an already significant base by 40 to 50 percent. Over the next one and one-half to three years, “growth in offshoring of product development projects is forecast to increase by 65 percent for R&D and by more than 80 percent for engineering services and product design-projects.”

More than half of US companies are now engaged in jobs offshoring, and the practice is no longer confined to large corporations. Small companies have discovered that “offshoring of innovation projects can significantly leverage limited investment dollars.”

It turns out that product development, which was to be America’s replacement for manufacturing jobs, is the second largest business function that is offshored.

According to the report, the offshoring of finance, accounting, and human resource jobs is increasing at a 35 percent annual rate. The study observes that “the high growth rates for the offshoring of core functions of value creation is a remarkable development.”

In brief, the United States is losing its economy. However, a business school cannot go so far as to admit that, because its financing is dependent on outside sources that engage in offshoring. Instead, the study claims, absurdly, that the massive movement of jobs abroad that the study reports are causing no job loss in the US: “Contrary to various claims, fears about loss of high-skill jobs in engineering and science are unfounded.” The study then contradicts this claim by reporting that as more scientists and engineers are hired abroad, “fewer jobs are being eliminated onshore.” Since 2005, the study reports, there has been a 48 percent drop in the onshore jobs losses caused by offshore projects.

One wonders at the competence of the Fuqua School of Business. If a 40-50 percent increase in offshored product development jobs, a 65 percent increase in offshored R&D jobs, and a more than 80 percent increase in offshored engineering services and product design-projects jobs do not constitute US job loss, what does?

Academia’s lack of independent financing means that its researchers can only tell the facts by denying them.

The study adds more cover for corporate America’s rear end by repeating the false assertion that US firms are moving jobs offshore because of a shortage of scientists and engineers in America. A correct statement would be that the offshoring of science, engineering and professional service jobs is causing fewer American students to pursue these occupations, which formerly comprised broad ladders of upward mobility. The Bureau of Labor Statistics’ nonfarm payroll jobs statistics show no sign of job growth in these careers. The best that can be surmised is that there are replacement jobs as people retire.

The offshoring of the US economy is destroying the dollar’s role as reserve currency, a role that is the source of American power and influence. The US trade deficit resulting from offshored US goods and services is too massive to be sustainable. Already the once all-mighty dollar has lost enormous purchasing power against oil, gold, and other currencies. In the 21st century, the American people have been placed on a path that can only end in a substantial reduction in US living standards for every American except the corporate elite, who earn tens of millions of dollars in bonuses by excluding Americans from the production of the goods and services that they consume.

What can be done? The US economy has been seriously undermined by offshoring. The damage might not be reparable. Possibly, the American market and living standards could be rescued by tariffs that offset the lower labor and compliance costs abroad.

Another alternative, suggested by Ralph Gomory, would be to tax US corporations on the basis of the percentage of their value added that occurs in the US. The greater the value added to a company’s product in America, the lower the tax rate on the profits.


These sensible suggestions will be demonized by ideological “free market” economists and opposed by the offshoring corporations, whose swollen profits allow them to hire “free market” economists as shills and to elect representatives to serve their interests.

The current recession with its layoffs will mask the continuing deterioration in employment and career outlooks for American university graduates. The highly skilled US work force is being gradually transformed into the domestic service workforce characteristic of third world economies.
 
In the 21st century the US economy has been able to create net new jobs only in nontradable domestic services, such as waitresses, bartenders, government workers, hospital orderlies, and retail clerks. (Nontradable services are “hands on” services that cannot be sold as exports, such as haircuts, waiting a table, fixing a drink.)

And a lot of those jobs are going to illegal immigrants, leaving Americans out in the cold. Free trade has been a disaster for America. We really need to go back to fair trade- we only trade with those who play by the rules.

Our government has largely been like a double dildo the last few decades- we get shafted with the Republican half for a few years and then the Democratic half for a few. The first step to fixing the problem is to clean house in Congress and throw out all career politicians, regardless of party or ideology and bring in fresh blood, preferably from 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th party candidates.
 
It is because of the two-party system and how the politician system is set up to support it i.e. no proportional representation, electoral college &c that allows the system to be so easily compromised.

As for the illegals, I cannot agree more. They sponge off the welfare, usually receiving it under multiple identities, and are prone to criminal conduct. However, for crime statistics, in many cases, they are counted as white so one cannot keep track! However, it is because politicians want them as a voting bloc and their contributors want them as a cheap labour force that nothing is done about it. Even if existing rules were enforced, the problem would not be half as bad as it is now...

...this is exactly why nothing will be done about the underlying problems. The only solution is emigration.
 
It strikes me as a little funny that Mr Natural Rights himself is in favour of more trade regulation... what right does the government have to dictate to private individuals how they should conduct business?
 
It is because of the two-party system and how the politician system is set up to support it i.e. no proportional representation, electoral college &c that allows the system to be so easily compromised.

As for the illegals, I cannot agree more. They sponge off the welfare, usually receiving it under multiple identities, and are prone to criminal conduct. However, for crime statistics, in many cases, they are counted as white so one cannot keep track! However, it is because politicians want them as a voting bloc and their contributors want them as a cheap labour force that nothing is done about it. Even if existing rules were enforced, the problem would not be half as bad as it is now...

...this is exactly why nothing will be done about the underlying problems. The only solution is emigration.

The problem with that is, only a few people will be able to emigrate- most countries don't want to be hit with a flood of Americans if/when the shit hits the fan. And I guarantee that many people are tired of just sitting down and taking it. Between rampant outsourcing, nothing done about illegals, rising gas and food prices, the declining dollar, the housing crisis, etc, many Americans are on the edge of losing it and going postal. We have National Guard and Reserve people coming back from extended deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan to find their jobs have gone overseas and their homes have been foreclosed. They're quite pissed off and they've been trained to kill, and many if not most of them, as do many other citizens have guns. Mark my words, barring a MAJOR change of direction, things are gonna get very ugly in this country in the next few years or so. My money is on either an armed revolution, a guerilla insurgency, and/or all out civil war in the US within 5-10 years, 20 max. Canada and Mexico will no doubt feel the brunt of massive refugees flooding over their borders to flee the violence. I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen much of anything these last few years to show me otherwise. I'm 45 years old, and I never thought I'd see this country in as bad of shape, or as divided and polarized as it is now.

Our country has become a sad case of not being able to see the onrushing train until it's 3 feet from us.
 
sadly I dont think any of that will happen. I think its about 20 years too late in coming if it did, but our government and economist machine did a good job covering up the reality of what they were up too. We lived in a totally stimulated economy and everyone had their shades on, welcome to the boom town, well boom town just went boom. They will create another mask, more excuses, more lies, people will go further in debt with a positive prospect. Couldnt believe people feel for it the first time around. More amazingly people go to college to learn how to fuck Americans out of their jobs, wages, retirements, benefits and its all perfectly legal. In fact if any Americans that took the dry fuckin and raised their arms in anger... our government would turn on them and shoot them down, no big deal, just a population, easily flooded from across the border with cheap labor who has no desire to improve life in America, only live better than they could in their own bleak countries. Welcome to the trailer park.
 
And a lot of those jobs are going to illegal immigrants, leaving Americans out in the cold. Free trade has been a disaster for America. We really need to go back to fair trade- we only trade with those who play by the rules.

Our government has largely been like a double dildo the last few decades- we get shafted with the Republican half for a few years and then the Democratic half for a few. The first step to fixing the problem is to clean house in Congress and throw out all career politicians, regardless of party or ideology and bring in fresh blood, preferably from 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th party candidates.

That pretty much hits the nail on the proverbial head. This country only has itself to blame for the situation it's in.
 
It strikes me as a little funny that Mr Natural Rights himself is in favour of more trade regulation... what right does the government have to dictate to private individuals how they should conduct business?

It is more of a practical consideration for the time being. Ideally, if both parties would not interfere in trade, such regulation would no longer be necessary. That is not to say that the state has no business meddling in such things, though when one state is meddling and the country is in such dire financial condition, a remedy would be necessary. I.e. in this case China is already manipulating, let us manipulate back though neither should.

As for countries getting hit by a flood of Americans: all the more reason to beat the rush.
 
As for countries getting hit by a flood of Americans: all the more reason to beat the rush.

SO for generations we build this country, then in 20 yrs our corporations run it into the ground, then we turn it over "turn key" for free to those south of the border and middle east... what a deal, the pride of our ancestors.

what right does the government have to dictate to private individuals how they should conduct business?

While I understand the theory behind this the problem is American businesses have been screwing the American work force. We have a government by the people for the people, so our government should have damn well been putting a stop to it decades ago, however as I have said they all sleep in the same bed. What has been good for those corporate officals and "share holders" by outsourcing and playing games down on wallstreet has been good for our government officials personal portfolio as well.

We have a country divided, the comparitively small handful that benefited and the larger population that made the sacrifice. So our government has not been "for the people" what so ever. Americans would never have voted favorably for NAFTA, one little look around the world would clearly show that we had all to loose, nothing to gain and the former third world countries... now pegged as "developing countries" had all to gain at our personal expence.

None of this was done for the long term interest of this country as a whole, that is our governments job, to look out for our..."the people" not wallstreet types long term interests.

Soon the techies will be dropping like flys same as the blue collar did, same as our service work force has had to dance to the tune of people from south of the border that are willing to live 3-4 familys in a house, get in a van with their four brothers, six cousins and steal our jobs because we cant afford to live in this country for 6-8-10 $ an hour. Low wages havent moved in 20 years, yet everything else from housing to insurance and utilities has gone up 2-3-400%. AND NOW we are hammered with the clencher... transportation costs, thats personal work & shipping of products, plus home heating oil.

What a fucking deal, all because the "haves" dont bat an eye, no skin off their chin. So I would say the government has not been doing their job.
 
It is more of a practical consideration for the time being. Ideally, if both parties would not interfere in trade, such regulation would no longer be necessary. That is not to say that the state has no business meddling in such things, though when one state is meddling and the country is in such dire financial condition, a remedy would be necessary. I.e. in this case China is already manipulating, let us manipulate back though neither should.

As for countries getting hit by a flood of Americans: all the more reason to beat the rush.

So if all countries allowed unrestricted travel / immigration, you'd be happy with that?
 
It may not be advisable for someone to come to a country where one is not fluent in the language, much less work. I would be in favour of such unrestricted travel and settlement provided that the government does not subsidize it e.g. welfare, free medical care, free schooling at taxpayer expense. Until this is the case, the existing laws must be enforced strictly.

In my case, I shall be studying Arabic and Chinese next semester, and will be dusting off the Chinese studied in years past. At least there they have engineering vacancies, here engineers are routinely forced to take positions beneath them; I read of a case where one with a Masters in Engineering had to take a position as an auto mechanic's assistant paying a pittance of $9/hr...meanwhile I have gotten responses from two solar companies in China who are interested in hiring me, and I don't even have a degree yet!
 
sadly I dont think any of that will happen. I think its about 20 years too late in coming if it did, but our government and economist machine did a good job covering up the reality of what they were up too. We lived in a totally stimulated economy and everyone had their shades on, welcome to the boom town, well boom town just went boom. They will create another mask, more excuses, more lies, people will go further in debt with a positive prospect. Couldnt believe people feel for it the first time around. More amazingly people go to college to learn how to fuck Americans out of their jobs, wages, retirements, benefits and its all perfectly legal. In fact if any Americans that took the dry fuckin and raised their arms in anger... our government would turn on them and shoot them down, no big deal, just a population, easily flooded from across the border with cheap labor who has no desire to improve life in America, only live better than they could in their own bleak countries. Welcome to the trailer park.


What don't you think will happen? You don't think the people will eventually erupt in violence? History teaches that you can only kick people around for so long before they start kicking back- just look at Spartacus, the Peasant's Revolt in Germany, the French Revolution....

At the rate we're going, sooner or later, it's gonne get to where the people, or a sizeable segment of them, will decide they have nothing left to lose, that risking death is preferable to continuing to live as little more than slaves. When that happens, watch out.
 
For one thing, they have automatic weapons and for a large part, the people do not. Because of maleficent regulation by the DEA, legal automatic weapons routinely sell in the tens of thousands, and the penalties for violations are Draconian. One of the purposes of the second amendment was so that the citizenry may not fear their government...and now look what happened.

However, because Congress cannot be bothered to build a border fence, I have read that arms smuggling is ensuing with relative impunity.

Thankfully, guerilla warfare, if properly executed, can bring even a well-funded force to its knees.

If anything is to be done about this, it will be you who bring it about, not me, for it is your problem, not mine. I'm, for lack of a better word, an anchor-baby.
 
For one thing, they have automatic weapons and for a large part, the people do not. Because of maleficent regulation by the DEA, legal automatic weapons routinely sell in the tens of thousands, and the penalties for violations are Draconian. One of the purposes of the second amendment was so that the citizenry may not fear their government...and now look what happened.

However, because Congress cannot be bothered to build a border fence, I have read that arms smuggling is ensuing with relative impunity.

Thankfully, guerilla warfare, if properly executed, can bring even a well-funded force to its knees.

Plus automatic weapons can be taken from police stations, National Guard and Reserve armouries, and from Government troops and whatever Blackwater goons they send in. Michael Collins, Josef Broz Tito, and Ho Chi Minh knew that, and no doubt many people here will too.
 
I think rebellion in this country and perhaps any other developed country is impossible today, for many reasons. What are you going to fight and how ? The police ? The National Guard ? Homeland Security ? FBI ? CIA ? Our own Armed Forces ? Does the middle class agree with the working poor ? No! Does the upper class give two fucks about either the middle or working poor ? No! Who's tune does the governemnt dance too ? THe upper class! Who has all the money ? The upper class! THe middle class is over extended on credit trying to pay for the triple inflated housing prices they bought into, taking a loss on the gas guzzlin SUVs and pickups they optimistically bought, suffering the insane property and school tax burdens brought by assessment rates against the inflated housing prices. Do the developers, realitors, state, school and local officials that became upper class during that smoke and mirrors action care ? No! Will they stand with the middle class they helped push into a false sense of security & debt way over their heads ? No! Are the working poor going to stand ground with the middle class thats payed 3-4 times their worth, money they make screwing everyone in America out of every last dime for insurances and other mandated regulations and stipulations they lobbied into effect as an effort of job security ? No! Are the working poor going to stand ground with the immigrated, the other working poor, those whos very existance in this country has kept the $25,000 per year and under exactly where they have been for 20 years? No! Are the middle class going to care that there are still people working for the same value they were 20 years ago ? No! Does the middle class want to curb immigration ? No! Whos going to mow their lazy assed lawn and raise their children for next to nothing without illegal/legal immigrants ? No one !

This country is divided a minimum of three ways
The rich that just plain cant see any of it from their house
The middle class that cant make enough money... yet want everyone that performs work for them to live in poverty
The working poor that stand around saying... "what the fuck?" "we dont want your money... we want mine"

Then further divided by
-immigrants that are just happy to take what they can get here because its easier than staying in their own countries and doing what our forefathers and ancestors fought for.
-the divide between white collar and blue collar as white collar doesnt believe anyone that does the dirty work for them is worth spit.
-the divide between State born and raised races and even genders within the same tax bracket or field of employment

So even if our government allowed us to protest for change and not shoot us down, tear gas us or club us as was done at Kent state or the Chicago primary in '68 the population of the country is so divided in opinion a organized movement would never happen.

The United States has been and to some degree still is a great place to live but they have fucked it right up, but were smart enough to divide and distract the entire population while doing so. This prolonged the period of time they could get away with it and make such a mess that the population would never agree or be able to do anything about it if they did.

And to think all this "new" America was brought to us, gift wrapped by highly educated "economists" and their bed buddies
 
I think rebellion in this country and perhaps any other developed country is impossible today, for many reasons. What are you going to fight and how ? The police ? The National Guard ? Homeland Security ? FBI ? CIA ? Our own Armed Forces ? Does the middle class agree with the working poor ? No! Does the upper class give two fucks about either the middle or working poor ? No! Who's tune does the governemnt dance too ? THe upper class! Who has all the money ? The upper class! THe middle class is over extended on credit trying to pay for the triple inflated housing prices they bought into, taking a loss on the gas guzzlin SUVs and pickups they optimistically bought, suffering the insane property and school tax burdens brought by assessment rates against the inflated housing prices. Do the developers, realitors, state, school and local officials that became upper class during that smoke and mirrors action care ? No! Will they stand with the middle class they helped push into a false sense of security & debt way over their heads ? No! Are the working poor going to stand ground with the middle class thats payed 3-4 times their worth, money they make screwing everyone in America out of every last dime for insurances and other mandated regulations and stipulations they lobbied into effect as an effort of job security ? No! Are the working poor going to stand ground with the immigrated, the other working poor, those whos very existance in this country has kept the $25,000 per year and under exactly where they have been for 20 years? No! Are the middle class going to care that there are still people working for the same value they were 20 years ago ? No! Does the middle class want to curb immigration ? No! Whos going to mow their lazy assed lawn and raise their children for next to nothing without illegal/legal immigrants ? No one !

This country is divided a minimum of three ways
The rich that just plain cant see any of it from their house
The middle class that cant make enough money... yet want everyone that performs work for them to live in poverty
The working poor that stand around saying... "what the fuck?" "we dont want your money... we want mine"

Then further divided by
-immigrants that are just happy to take what they can get here because its easier than staying in their own countries and doing what our forefathers and ancestors fought for.
-the divide between white collar and blue collar as white collar doesnt believe anyone that does the dirty work for them is worth spit.
-the divide between State born and raised races and even genders within the same tax bracket or field of employment

So even if our government allowed us to protest for change and not shoot us down, tear gas us or club us as was done at Kent state or the Chicago primary in '68 the population of the country is so divided in opinion a organized movement would never happen.

The United States has been and to some degree still is a great place to live but they have fucked it right up, but were smart enough to divide and distract the entire population while doing so. This prolonged the period of time they could get away with it and make such a mess that the population would never agree or be able to do anything about it if they did.

And to think all this "new" America was brought to us, gift wrapped by highly educated "economists" and their bed buddies

I think you might be surprised what people are capable of when they're tired of being kicked around and fucked over. Remember that the patriots in the American Revolution never had the support of more than maybe 1/3 of the population on a good day. 1/3 actively opposed the Revolution, even forming military units to fight alongside the Redcoats, and the other 1/3 stayed neutral. If/when the shit hits the fan, we can count on one thing being certain- the rich are gonna have a hard time finding people willing to fight for them, other than mercs.
 
I dont think you are looking at it in current times, you cant think of what happened 240 years ago and think it could happen today. Things are far too different.

People were primarily subsistance farmers then, self sufficient enough to at least survive. TO think that people could crawl out of the suburbs and even simply protest for over a week without loosing their home and starving to death is far fetched. Everyone is totally dependent today, its part of the beauty of the thing for the puppet masters, everyones hands are tied as they run themselves ragged in the rat race. No one even has time to invest in a rebellion without loosing everything they have. 30 days from bankruptcy and starvation
 
I dont think you are looking at it in current times, you cant think of what happened 240 years ago and think it could happen today. Things are far too different.

People were primarily subsistance farmers then, self sufficient enough to at least survive. TO think that people could crawl out of the suburbs and even simply protest for over a week without loosing their home and starving to death is far fetched. Everyone is totally dependent today, its part of the beauty of the thing for the puppet masters, everyones hands are tied as they run themselves ragged in the rat race. No one even has time to invest in a rebellion without loosing everything they have. 30 days from bankruptcy and starvation

Protesting en masse did work in Eastern Europe in 1989. Of course such demontrations would have to be from a sizeable enough segment of the population that those in power can'tignore them.

A rebellion would likely be largely started by those who've already lost their homes and their jobs. As I said earlier, many military personnel, including Guard and Reserve, are coming back from multiple extended tours of duty in the Middle East to find their jobs have gone overseas and their homes have been foreclosed. They've already lost everything, and they're none too happy about it. They've been trained to kill, and many have guns. They're the ones who'd likely start a rebellion, because they have nothing left to lose. And once a rebellion starts, as many people are pissed off at this government and what they've done, others will join, unless the government is able to stamp it out immediately, which I don't see happening, not with our military as at the breaking point as it is, not to mention that many National Guard/Reserve and police would be reluctant to fire on their neighbors, relatives, co-workers, and friends. Add to that that many people are on the edge of going postal, between rampant job outsourcing, the continues influx of illegals, spiraling gas and food prices. After all remember that the Russian Revolution started with food riots in Moscow and Petrograd. The way things are going now, once riots have broken out, that also could be the beginning of a revolution. You can only kick and beat a dog so much before it bites you, even it that dog is yours.

As for starving- if I'm right, a lot of farms and grocery stores are gonna be prime targets for looters. You'd be surprised how clever or resourceful people can be in obtaining food.
 
So where are they going to take this rebellion too ? March on washington ? That would show minor results about 10 years from now. You cant do it in the pools, our elections and political machine is a joke. Then they are only the problem for allowing it to happen. As we can see from this forum many believe the gov should allow whomever to do what ever they damn well please. Its those that have done what they damn well please that have caused the problem, our corporate puppet masters and the ass clowns stimulating things on wall street. All it takes is a wisper down there and everything falls on its face, then it starts to snowball. Hard to believe this all began after two jets flew into the trade center. Suddenly investors losts millions... why ? Now they make their money back "speculating" (stealing) on items such as oil and gold, gold is irrelevent in todays world and has been for decades, yet not in the game of trading. Speculation is how developers and investors screwed the American public during the big new home fiasco, it was all smoke and mirrors. Because people would freely commit to $350,000+ mortgages for houses that were worth $125-175,000