Advice on EXODUS tone with XXX!

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

Hey everyone, trying to capture a GARY HOLT sound outta my XXX!
Here I have 3 wav files, the 1st containing drums and guitars
2nd containing drums, guitars and bass
and 3rd containing drums, guitar bass and leads.



This is my 1st attempt, so any advice would be appreciated, cheers.
Note: These are all raw, no post processing, just a presonus EQ3B between mic and MBOX.



http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/riffonly.wav

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/riffbass.wav

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/riffbassleads.wav

 

[bury your dead]

the lead tone sounds like its almost there the rhythm tone has the crunch and low end but dont sound as in yourface.
i think there were a pick of his settings on here somewhere?

i have a xxx ,5150 ,dual rec and the xxx is my fav

fucking love it man

 

[bury your dead]

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/sneap-produced-albums/262395-exodus-6.html#post8317804

should be on this link man shit pic tho

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

Thanx bury, it seems to be a big flaw with me that my guitar tones arent in your face, so I can gather that most like the tone, but it just needs to be more out there.

How to do this, I dont know, so Im gunna give it a go anyway, fingers crossed.

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/2ndattemptexodus.wav

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

Anyone? I am keen as fuck to learn here, seriously need some help/advice.

 

[Nuno Filipe]

To put the sound more "in your face" you have to increase the mids in the Rhythm guitars, add a compression and multiband compression or tape saturation. If you work a more punchy drum sound, that will help too.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

To put the sound more "in your face" you have to increase the mids in the Rhythm guitars, add a compression and multiband compression or tape saturation. If you work a more punchy drum sound, that will help too.

Thanx for the help again Nuno, will try it this weekend.
Any other info from Sneapsters regarding the "in your face" issues I'm having?

 

[cobhc]

I'd use the EQ3B before the amp like they did on Atrocity, I hope Alejandro doesn't mind me posting this...

Use the Crunch Channel with those settings and see how you do.

 

[cobhc]

Also I think you need to mic nearer the dustcap for the rhythms.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

Thanx cobhc. Yeah, got that pic off rig talk a couple of years back. Havent used those settings as i have lost the pics... , so thanx for posting.



Will try the presonus before the amp, also have a hbe power screamer, doomsday device (No 13, evil) and an uno mos. Will fuck around with them over the week and see how I go.



i think Garys tones are some of the sickest Ive heard for standard and a bit below tuning.



Im inside the dust cap already, just not in the centre, but will try your recommendation, cheers mate.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

So the settings that are posted on the rig would be the live tone, and the purple marks would be the tone for recordings? What do you think.

 

[cobhc]

I don't know haha. I guess so.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

OK, so what I will do is post 2 clips with the live settings and the recording settings, same with the presonus, and see which is better, if anyones interested.

 

[cobhc]

I didn't see this reply..........do it man!!!! I wouldn't mind nailing his Gary's tone with my XXX.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

OK, so what I will do is post 2 clips with the live settings and the recording settings, same with the presonus, and see which is better, if anyones interested.

Just remember to hit your strings hard and dig your fingers, play nearer to the neck than usual as well.

 

[cobhc]

Yeah, Gary chokes further up towards the neck for mutes, somewhere around the middle of the bridge pickup.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

Will do it tonight, gotta go and play golf now. I'll try playing normally and then I'll give Genius' recommendation a go. Only hassle will be the tracks are going to be totally raw, as I have no idea on processing a great guitar tone. Should I quadtrack or not? I'll use the eq3b before the amp and the maxon, using the settings in the pic cohbc posted.

 

[cobhc]

Don't use the Maxon, if I remember right Gary doesn't use one live and didn't use one on Atrocity.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

OK, all done. There are 4 30 sec tracks done. No processing or pass filters.
These are the 4 tracks in order, (please excuse my shitty playing).




LIVE SETTINGS; Whats on the amp and the eq3b in the pic.
REC SETTINGS: The purple marks on the amp and the eq3b.



1. XXX (crunch channel) live settings, dual tracked
2. XXX (crunch channel) rec settings, dual tracked
3. XXX (ultra channel) live settings, dual tracked
4. XXX (ultra channel) rec settings, dual tracked
All settings (including the MASTER and VOLUME) are exact as in the pic, (had to guess the 2 mid buttons on the eq3b) but moving those 2 did jack shit! Send and return volumes are at 2 o'clock as GARY suggests in another post.



Mic was sm-57 straight on the middle of the dust cap, on a Randall warhead cab w/v30s. Tubes are JJs in the pre and JJ EL-34s in the power section, biased slightly hotter than 12 o'clock. Guitar was an Ibanez prestige J craft RG 3120DAM with IBZ/DiMarzio pups.



Well, after all that, I think 3 of them sound like arse uke: and one is reasonable. Remembering that these are raw tracks, I think the shiity 3 are way off the mark. Personally, I like 4 the best and 2 the next.



http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/XXX Exodus live CRUNCH.wav

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/XXX Exodus Rec CRUNCH.wav

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/XXX Exodus Live ULTRA.wav

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/822065/Audio Files/XXX Exodus Rec ULTRA.wav

 

[cobhc]

Yeah, they don't have anywhere near the right amount of cut, what power amp dampening are you using? And here's Gary's rig, though the settings are the same, minus the EQ3B