Alternative to Overheads

meanmrmustad

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Lately i've just been miking the room, hats, ride and shells

I think I like how it sounds better than when I used overhead mics, maybe I just suck at placing them.

At least in my tiny arse room it sounds better
 
overheads tend to pic a lot of the room, so for small bad sounding rooms close-micing the drums (or any other instrument) generally sound's better.
 
To me nothing will ever replace a good overhead system. You can get so much breathy, thickness out of them. And I hope you don't mean that you don't want to mic the cymbals in at all, because you can say what you want, but cymbals tend to sound like monkeyballs on everything but the overheads.
 
I think this seems like a valid approach. It makes sense to get the "kit" sound from the room mics (I'd definitely do a stereo pair of room mics in this situation) and then use spot mics to fill everything in. I'm sure results vary depending on the room but I like the idea of it - but then I'm not a straight-up metal guy.
 
Are you limited in mics/pres in that you can't do OH in addition to shells, hh/ride, and rooms? OH mics are integral to cymbal definition IMO, but it really depends on what type of sound you're going for and what your room is like.
 
Depending on the sound that fits the band I'm recording, sometimes I'll record far stereo mics, eq them to fuck an use those as the overhead sound. That sometimes won't work and the mix will sound dull. A lot of high-end comes from the OHs.
 
It's really hard to make overheads sound good in a small room. I battled with it for a long time and tried all sorts of placements and then one day I recorded drums in a huge room (disused church) and it was the best cymbals sound I'd ever gotten even though it was just a spaced pair and the cymbals were all ZBTs!
 
Do the cymbals sound good in the room without microphones?

If not do what you can to make the kit sound better before micing. I have always found that the high end of the spectrum is the easiest to control/tame. If you were having trouble with lowend I would see that as a much greater challenge. Some proper placed treatments such as a cloud above the kit really helps. I recorded drums in a pretty bad room one time and we completely surrounded the kit with moving blankets, the cymbals sounded really decent and to be honest its an amazing way to keep a lot of cymbal sound in the room mics. In a proper room i wouldnt bother. Another way is if you like the sound your getting with no overheads you could still track overheads and bring them up in the mix just barely enough to get yourself some proper imaging of the kit. I can't say I've ever miced up a kit and thought it would be better without overheads, getting a good drum sound through the overheads is the first step for me. How close are the overheads to the cymbals? I find there is a spot right between to close and too far, i start with the mics somewhat close to the cymbals (maybe a foot or 2 above) and then pull them back if i find the cymbals sound "offensive/direct". Try different mics, try foam windscreens see if the take the high end edge off. I am more prone to experimenting with room mics and micing techniques (glyn johns etc.) when im not recording metal, unfortunately i tend get into a habit of using common micing approaches when i record metal. No rules, if you like the sound your getting go for it.

Hope this helps.
 
It's really hard to make overheads sound good in a small room. I battled with it for a long time and tried all sorts of placements and then one day I recorded drums in a huge room (disused church) and it was the best cymbals sound I'd ever gotten even though it was just a spaced pair and the cymbals were all ZBTs!

exactly that. drums won't sound good on small rooms, but treating a small room to minimize reflections and adding reverb to the OHs can make a big difference to the better.
 
So I recorded the drums using underheads, 4 tom mics, kick , snare and hats
my room is tiny

can barely fit the drums and mic in there...

here's the drumsound i got


Why does soundcloud do something wierd to the cymbals?
 
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That compression sounds weird. Also the clip sounds a little bit washed and it's too short, but I think you can get the cymbals to sound good. Mind if you re-record a longer clip without any effect on it? (except phase invertions if needed) what mics did you use for everything? can you post a photo from the setup?
 
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Lol

Kick - Superlux kick mic
Snare - Beringher XM8500
Toms - Superlux tom mics
Underheads - Beringher C2s SDCs
Hats -Superlux SDC
 
I think you're off to a great start.

I'd be overwhelmed with joy if I could get that type of drum sound even in a proper room. :lol:

I suck pretty bad with drums.
 
I've been thinking about trying underheads. Would you mind describing your underhead setup a bit more? I only have internet access on my phone so I may have overlooked the mics in the pic.
Sounds pretty good to me. My room is slightly bigger, and Ive not been satisfied with any of my overhead sounds :(
 
I just put the dang things facing up about knee high under the cymbals on the left and n the right checked for phase and moved mics till i was happy, i actually have a usable drum sound for this band and i will be recording amp sims through a real cab, it will be my most organic mix ever lol
 
So these ar just the raw drums i got with the mics (no prosssing or anything)


And with a little processing



Recorded with beringher mics(my best mics) and superdlux mics ($220 USD for 7 mics) in a small room less than 10x10
 
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