Anbody else having Drumgog trouble in protools?
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they're just way off, usually during fast parts. Some come before and some come after the actual hit. The only way I've figured out to make it work right is to set it on advanced mode, but then the latency is something like 70 milliseconds. Works in nuendo with same track, same settings all throughout drumagog. It's driving me nuts. It would be awesome if you had some advice
Did you update to the newest 4.10 version? I just updated yesterday and somehow I think it's performing even worse than before. Drumagog has never been very accurate IMO, but it also depends on how the track you're triggering was recorded and how the drummer is hitting the drum.
Currently I'm doing a full length album for a local band. I just spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to find the best drumagog setting for a snare drum track. Then I recorded the triggered track and still spent 8 hours aligning the hits with the original snare. What a pain in the ass.
The way I did the aligning: I used beat detective to seperate the snare hits and then with "tab to transient" I went through every goddamn hit.
I'd also like to hear from others what is the best way to get accurate results.
Currently I'm doing a full length album for a local band. I just spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to find the best drumagog setting for a snare drum track. Then I recorded the triggered track and still spent 8 hours aligning the hits with the original snare. What a pain in the ass.
The way I did the aligning: I used beat detective to seperate the snare hits and then with "tab to transient" I went through every goddamn hit.
I'd also like to hear from others what is the best way to get accurate results.
I've found Drumagog to be a little goofy with fast stuff. Slow stuff is fine, but I still get mistriggers.
As far as the plugin latency...are you shifting the track earlier by the amount of latency Drumagog introduces? If not...do it.
I use Drumagog to audition the samples that I'm going to use on the drums to make sure they are right for the mix. Then I'll tab to transient and manually replace each hit. I'll even use the gain plug in Audio Suite to match obvious gain changes in the track to avoid machine gun drums.
Go to womb.mixerman.net and look up the Kenny Goia (sp?) Pro Tools tutorials. He'll teach how to sample replace drums easily and sample accurate.
As far as the plugin latency...are you shifting the track earlier by the amount of latency Drumagog introduces? If not...do it.
I use Drumagog to audition the samples that I'm going to use on the drums to make sure they are right for the mix. Then I'll tab to transient and manually replace each hit. I'll even use the gain plug in Audio Suite to match obvious gain changes in the track to avoid machine gun drums.
Go to womb.mixerman.net and look up the Kenny Goia (sp?) Pro Tools tutorials. He'll teach how to sample replace drums easily and sample accurate.
I switched (back) to apTrigga. Much cheaper, much more stable (no bugs), and much more accurate in all my experiences. In my opinion it makes Drumagog look like a chump, all dressed up with nowhere to go. Whose idea was it to have a little video screen of a foot hitting the kick drum on every shot? This is VST though, so you'll need the VST-RTAS wrapper for this. I love it for sample reinforcement, as it allows you to click through & preview samples very quickly. Much better than Drumagog in this regard, and you don't have to make GOG files out of your samples. Whether you make your own samples, download them from a forum, are given them from another producer, or purchased, they're all going to be in .WAV or .AIFF, maybe SDII format. Do you really want to convert all of them into GOG files? I sure as hell don't. Besides being over $200 cheaper, more stable, and (IMO) a better interface, they give you another plugin for free called spikeGen, which creates MIDI triggers from audio. Doing that allows you to edit the drum performance as MIDI and trigger a 3rd-party drum module such as BFD, DFH, DM5, etc. You may prefer that route for replacement. apTrigga rules.
Kenny's method rules too, and is the most accurate. When using a plugin like Drumagog or apTrigga, before the final mixdown, you'll want to print those tracks, so you can check them. I use apTrigga while building the mix, to preview my library of sampes in real-time in the mix (with no latency!) and once all is said and done, I go through and use Kenny's method to place the samples in the session. Kenny's method makes this much faster.
Kenny's method rules too, and is the most accurate. When using a plugin like Drumagog or apTrigga, before the final mixdown, you'll want to print those tracks, so you can check them. I use apTrigga while building the mix, to preview my library of sampes in real-time in the mix (with no latency!) and once all is said and done, I go through and use Kenny's method to place the samples in the session. Kenny's method makes this much faster.
yeah i've always meant to pick up a vst wrapper but for some reason I'm under the impression that the plugins become a little flimsier than usual. Is this wrong?
I'm just perplexed as to why a plug would function infinitely better in one DAW as opposed to another
Actually, the opposite is true, especially with Native Instruments' plugs. The only way I've been able to run certain NI plugs is by wrapping the VST version, after which they function perfectly. The wrapper works like a charm. I don't use very many VSTs, because I don't use a lot of plugins period... but apTrigga alone is enough reason for me to use it.
those settings worked great for me in nuendo!!! Now I've got waves SSL crashing PT every 10 minutes of top of that. This program drives me nuts
What I noticed today is that drumagog works like a charm if the drummers playing is consistent and the attack on each hit is really clear. I just triggered snares & kicks in another project and I was amazed. It was two 4 minute tracks and there were only about 10 kick drum hits that were off. I had the auto align on. I looked at the original waveform and noticed that the drummer hits very consistently. I also tried soundreplacer and it sure wasn't very accurate...
I'll have to check aptrigga someday too. I'm still quite happy with drumagog, beacause it works really well with my setup. It has never crashed. I think the "favourites" & "collection" browser is really good too and with those it's very fast to go through samples in real time.
I'll have to check aptrigga someday too. I'm still quite happy with drumagog, beacause it works really well with my setup. It has never crashed. I think the "favourites" & "collection" browser is really good too and with those it's very fast to go through samples in real time.
::XeS::
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Use Aptrigga....With drumagog you need 2 days to sets the graphic sensitivity. With Aptrigga just a click and a roll with the mouse..
I use the FXPansion VST-RTAS Wrapper.
Regarding Drumagog "working like a charm" when the drummer plays wonderfully because only 10 hits were off... That's a lot! Not my idea of working like a charm, at all, not to mention the latency in Pro Tools. I don't like the browser in Drumagog, and I don't like 90% of the 4GB of samples they give you. I have all my samples organized in folders on my sample drive and I like being able to select a folder, like "metal kicks" for example and then just click once to go to the next sample. I don't want to have to make a Favorites list in Drumagog... that goes against my workflow of finding a good reinforcement sample that fits the song. apTrigga's method allows me to preview all the the samples in a given folder in real time, rather than hoping that one of my Favorites will be the best sample for the song, otherwise it's time to dig in the menu. When I put a drum replacer on a kick track, I don't need to see all my "favorite" snares, toms, etc. It just doesn't work as well for me in so many regards. Besides, my "favorite" sample is whichever one blends with the kit & serves the song, not the one I used in the last project, or the one that sounds great by itself...
Seriously, I just love apTrigga. Drumagog frustrated the hell out of me. I sold it and went back to apTrigga and have been much happier since.
::XeS::
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ApTrigga rulez.
2012, how do you use aptrigga? Wich mode do you use? How many sample for each instrument? I'm very curious..
2012, how do you use aptrigga? Wich mode do you use? How many sample for each instrument? I'm very curious..
