Andy are 2 bass drums better than 1

[Shawn B]

are 2 bass drums better when you record with triggers?

 

[Nitronium Blood]

Two kick drums would be better than one in any situation.

 

[Mendel]

what are drum triggers exaclty ? some guys explainend me this: if you hit like a snair, it would go to the control panel. and play a sample that is selected ?

 

[Nitronium Blood]

what are drum triggers exaclty ? some guys explainend me this: if you hit like a snair, it would go to the control panel. and play a sample that is selected ?

From my understanding, triggers record 'hits'. So that if you so desired, you could replace those hits with whatever sound samples you wanted.

Andy blends samples with the actual sound of the kit.

 

[Ermz]

The trigger mic creates an actual sound of its own, doesn't it, or does it just send MIDI information?

 

[Nitronium Blood]

The trigger mic creates an actual sound of its own, doesn't it, or does it just send MIDI information?

I believe that Andy does indeed blend the sound of the trigger itself as well

 

[kaomao]

The trigger mic creates an actual sound of its own, doesn't it, or does it just send MIDI information?

It produces a sound of its own!

 

[Razorjack]

The trigger mic creates an actual sound of its own, doesn't it, or does it just send MIDI information?

In analogue synths control triggers send +5v signals for every control change, drum triggers sound the same so I'd assume they do the same (I have used drum triggers to trigger changes on a mudular synth).

 

[James Murphy]

The trigger mic creates an actual sound of its own, doesn't it, or does it just send MIDI information?

triggers themselves produce a sound every time the drum is struck, sometimes called a "splat" than can be recorded to an audio track and used with drum replacement software (the benefit being that this track is much cleaner than the drum track itself since there is no bleed from other drums or cymbals)... but you could also plug the trigger outputs into a "drum brain", like the ddrum or the alesis d4 or dm5, and hook the midi out of that unit to your midi interface and reord a midi performance from the triggers. triggers by themselves do not ouput midi.. the "brain" is needed.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Two kick drums would be better than one in any situation.

only a Sith deals in absolutes :Spin: j/k

 

[Andy Sneap]

shawn, why do you have a naked man towl drying himself under your name ?

 

[Mendel]

shawn, why do you have a naked man towl drying himself under your name ?

if you look at his ass, you can see a smile .

really im not kidding, if you look at the as of the nakedman with the towl.

 

[Mendel]

triggers themselves produce a sound every time the drum is struck, sometimes called a "splat" than can be recorded to an audio track and used with drum replacement software (the benefit being that this track is much cleaner than the drum track itself since there is no bleed from other drums or cymbals)... but you could also plug the trigger outputs into a "drum brain", like the ddrum or the alesis d4 or dm5, and hook the midi out of that unit to your midi interface and reord a midi performance from the triggers. triggers by themselves do not ouput midi.. the "brain" is needed.

now i really got lost . i alwasy thought that drumtriggers would help make your base kick let them sound like that machine gun basedrum

 

[Fyhed]

Without two kick drums when triggering, there are more chances of "misfires" and also samples not being triggered as efficiently.

Nowdays though, trigger quality is becomming much better. Axis I believe have made triggers to fit onto there actual pedels themselves. I think they are activated when the drummer applies pressure to the foot pedel(s) although im not quite sure exactly how the mechanism works.

In a live situation many bands who trigger the kicks use two bass drums as the efficiency of triggers is much better.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Without two kick drums when triggering, there are more chances of "misfires" and also samples not being triggered as efficiently.

Nowdays though, trigger quality is becomming much better. Axis I believe have made triggers to fit onto there actual pedels themselves. I think they are activated when the drummer applies pressure to the foot pedel(s) although im not quite sure exactly how the mechanism works.

In a live situation many bands who trigger the kicks use two bass drums as the efficiency of triggers is much better.

My drummer has one kick and it works fine...just be sure to buy good triggers...you get what you pay for.

 

[Benny H]

Axis I believe have made triggers to fit onto there actual pedels themselves. I think they are activated when the drummer applies pressure to the foot pedel(s) although im not quite sure exactly how the mechanism works.

I'm not clued in on all the specifics.. I've read a little about them a while ago, but basically all I know is what I gather from that pic -that mini beater comes down and hits the round pad thingy.

"The EKIT is truly an Axis Percussion innovation. Now you can trigger your bass drum without the use of unreliable external acoustic bass drum triggers. Totally redesigned, this unique mechanical trigger easily mounts onto any AXIS bass drum pedal and lets you choose the exact moment and strength of your acoustic triggering. No more cross talk, double triggering, duct tape or trigger fatigue. This kit also has everything that you need to turn any AXIS A or X pedal into a stand alone electronic bass drum. Simply turn the beater around, add the supplied stopper pad and your AXIS pedal functions as a dynamic electronic bass drum pad and pedal all in one."

 

[Kazrog]

Two kick drums would be better than one in any situation.

Not if your two kick drums are unmatched and tuned differently, and you're not using triggers, live. That is a hilariously bad thing, but a certain well-known 80s thrash metal band that my ex-drummer used to play in had a lead singer who FORCED his drummer to do just that.

 

[egan.]

Not if your two kick drums are unmatched and tuned differently, and you're not using triggers, live. That is a hilariously bad thing, but a certain well-known 80s thrash metal band that my ex-drummer used to play in had a lead singer who FORCED his drummer to do just that.

LOL.....heard that story for a few different bands. You are right on: Anyone who thinks 2 kicks is automatically better has never tried to tune and mic two kicks identically before.

 

[egan.]

I'm not clued in on all the specifics.. I've read a little about them a while ago, but basically all I know is what I gather from that pic -that mini beater comes down and hits the round pad thingy.

Yep. I recorded a drummer who used acouple of these and cross talk is basically nonexitstant. he was a black metal all trigger sort of drummer so I didn't mic the kicks but I imagine that the dynamics are also relatively nonexistant.

 

[adrianvillan]

Totally agree 100%. 1 kick with a double bass pedal is so much easier to get a consistant sound and gets alot better results if you dont know how to tune drums properly. Also saves allot of time trying to mic and level both kicks exactly the same. Bottom line is you want both kicks to sound the same. Only thing that gets sacrificed with one kick is the decay of each drum. But for most fast metal, you dont want that effect anyway..