Andy how's the krankenstein?

[elmuchoescadawg]

I haven't bothered getting in touch with UM about moderating this forum, as I don't mind a bit of lively banter, but the whole point of this forum is so people can ask questions and get educated, experienced replies, also remember, that I'm paying for this forum to be hosted, so I think I've been pretty tolerant so far.

Very well said.
Regardless of what we might think about amps, albums, producers. Thanks for PAYING for all of us to have the oportunity to learn from each other.
Whatever opinions you may have about Andy and his work you have to at least respect him for putting his cash up to provide this for all of us lot.

 

[Matt Smith]

BTW since there are several Krank users in this thread, I have a quick question. Have you guys noticed very little response from the presence control on the Revolution, or do I have a bum one? I mean seriously, I can turn it from all the way down to all the way up and hear very little, if any, difference. By contrast, I can hear a huge difference on, say, my Mark IV just turning the presence a little bit one way or the other.

 

[Forbiddenevil]

BTW since there are several Krank users in this thread, I have a quick question. Have you guys noticed very little response from the presence control on the Revolution, or do I have a bum one? I mean seriously, I can turn it from all the way down to all the way up and hear very little, if any, difference. By contrast, I can hear a huge difference on, say, my Mark IV just turning the presence a little bit one way or the other.

Hi Matt,

the presence control works like other amps. Not only a little. But by the way, do you mention that the small tubes has only one steel cover???

See picture!!!

Alex

 

[Andy Sneap]

that sounds wrong to me Matt, might want to get that checked out.

 

[Mark_Palangio]

Well Mark, I have to say, have you wondered whether it could be down to anything else like the type of gtr, bad sound guy, bad PA, bad mic placement? Your statements seem very final. All the recordings I've used the Krank on I've been real happy, so have the bands and I certainly don't hear a thinner tone (on the stuff I've done). Its like Matt says, they sound a bit more old school, kind of Marshall attack. Whatever... I guess you're diggin that Engl. One thing I liked about the Engl actually was the lack of fizz, compared to the 5150 on Wages, but from what I remember, they used Peavey cabs (ouch) on that, so just goes to show there's no rules.

Well, The Haunted were playing custom Caparisons and custom ESP's with EMG pickups, I was amazed how bad they sounded. I will say that Soilwork sounded the best of all the Krank bands, they had custom Caparisons w/EMG pickups as well. I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you by saying stuff like the new AE sounds weak, I just dislike those Krank amps, the overall production is badass, I just don't think the tone is great. I've never actually tried a Peavey cab, but from what I've heard the 5150 cab is real good with the 5150 head, but that's about it, not very good with anything else. A lot of 5150 users seems to like a cab loaded with Greenbacks, which I think the 5150 cab has speakers based on Greenbacks. I also agree with the lack of fizz with the Engl's, they're very clear and warm sounding. Andy, have you ever played or recorded with a modded 5150, or just stock ones? Just curious...

 

[kaomao]

Andy, have you ever played or recorded with a modded 5150, or just stock ones? Just curious...

I think Andy's one is a stock one, no mods at all

Maurizio

 

[Andy Sneap]

yeah its a stock one, but I did have 2, the other being Bill Steers old one which sounded thin. Colin Richardson loves this one of mine also, he's alway borrowing it, just revalved with Svetlana's, sounds great at the mo. The Peavey cabs are loaded with the sheffields, which is their Greenback rip off, I much prefer celestions to those. Amazingly enough though, on those Krank cabs the grill doesn't seem to make as much difference as you'd think, it just pulls straight off anyway. I may load mine up with vintage 30's though it's kinda cool as something different.

 

[Matt Smith]

Yeah, I realized that it just pulls straight off after I took all the screws out. :hotjump:

I was a bit surprised at how little difference the grille made as well, but figured it was just me.

 

[EtherForBreakfast]

Matt - The Presence control on mine is VERY responsive - full range. If yours does not seem to make a difference I would definitely have your Krank looked at.

Other dude with the pic, yah my Krank only has one tube cover as well, so that must be a normal thing. Mine is serial number 12, a pretty early one with the silverchrome grill.

 

[Mark_Palangio]

yeah its a stock one, but I did have 2, the other being Bill Steers old one which sounded thin. Colin Richardson loves this one of mine also, he's alway borrowing it, just revalved with Svetlana's, sounds great at the mo. The Peavey cabs are loaded with the sheffields, which is their Greenback rip off, I much prefer celestions to those. Amazingly enough though, on those Krank cabs the grill doesn't seem to make as much difference as you'd think, it just pulls straight off anyway. I may load mine up with vintage 30's though it's kinda cool as something different.

Since you mentioned Bill Steer, do you know what amps and guitars were used to record Heartwork? I've heard it was 5150, and a Marshall 15 watt practice amp with Ibanez S series guitars. I've always wondered what all was used to record that album, but could never get a definite answer...

 

[LynchpiN]

Have any of you guys heard about some Silver Series speakers by Celestion? Are they any good on recording?

A friend of mine is selling a Trace-Elliott Tramp 412F cheap, and I want to know if it's any good. Sounds decent to me, never tried recording.

4x12's are pretty expensive here, a Mesa cab is kind of unreal in my town.. So any tips (it sucks, etc.) will be of good help.

 

[metalkingdom]

Heartwork was done with 5150's and 30th anniversary Marshalls, from what I recall. I bought a 5150 because of that record.

 

[Disconnekt]

Andy, what Mesa cab do you use and which speakers does it have? The Anthems of Rebellion tone is fantastic.

Also, anyone who knows, what amp (I presume 5150)/cab/mics does Fredrik Nordstrom use to get that really snarly tone on probably more than half the albums he records?

(See Arch Enemy: Burning Bridges, In Flames: Colony and Clayman, Dark Tranquillity: Damage Done, The Haunted: Revolver, Darkest Hour: Hidden Hands of a Sadist Nation, etc. etc.)

 

[Mark_Palangio]

Andy, what Mesa cab do you use and which speakers does it have? The Anthems of Rebellion tone is fantastic.

Also, anyone who knows, what amp (I presume 5150)/cab/mics does Fredrik Nordstrom use to get that really snarly tone on probably more than half the albums he records?

(See Arch Enemy: Burning Bridges, In Flames: Colony and Clayman, Dark Tranquillity: Damage Done, The Haunted: Revolver, Darkest Hour: Hidden Hands of a Sadist Nation, etc. etc.)

Those were all mainly 5150 I believe, Studio Fredman and Fredrick are more integral to all those tones though. I like In Flames older tone better actually (Jester Race and Whoracle) and those were done with a Marshall Valvestate 8100 through Boss Metalzones!!! Unreal how Nordstrom got that setup to not sound like shit.

 

[Disconnekt]

I prefer the later tone, personally, but to each his own. Yeah, that's crazy about those earlier albums. At the Gates: Slaughter of the Soul was Boss Heavy Metal > Boss Metal Zone > Peavey Supreme 160 > homemade cab (2x10 + 2x12), and that tone is absolutely crushing, if a bit too scooped for my taste. Man, now I'm realizing that that album, both earlier In Flames albums, and the first Soilwork album all sound like that, and then when Colony comes around, all of Nordstrom's albums start sounding like that one. Well, something to be said for a signature sound, I guess.

Hmm, I'm connecting the dots here, and I'm thinking the later sound is probably a 5150 cab. Nordstrom recorded Wages of Sin (although Andy mixed it), and he probably recorded it the same way he did Burning Bridges, which sounds like all those other albums I just mentioned. Andy says 5150 cabs were used on Wages. Unless, of course, Andy reamped that one through that cab, and then I'm probably way off.

 

[Loner]

Thanks for the info, Andy. As for Mark Trollangio, I think you have quite the road to ho if you plan on pleasing him with the Krank clips. Here is a direct quote from Sir. Trollangio taken from HC forum:

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"Sneap's a great producer, but even he can't make those Krank pieces of shit sound anything close to a good amp, like a 5150 for example."

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=)

Dude, fucking drop it already.

 

[t-rave]

hey Mark,

you really sound like a jackass..Maybe Krank's arent your thing but until you actually play one your self STFU...

The guitar sounds on the New Arch Enemy and Nevermore cd's are some of the best I have ever heard and I trust the ears of Andy and Dimebag over an amature like yourself any day of the week..

Dime's guitar sound is awesome especially on FBD...

 

[Mark_Palangio]

hey Mark,

you really sound like a jackass..Maybe Krank's arent your thing but until you actually play one your self STFU...

The guitar sounds on the New Arch Enemy and Nevermore cd's are some of the best I have ever heard and I trust the ears of Andy and Dimebag over an amature like yourself any day of the week..

Dime's guitar sound is awesome especially on FBD...

Newsflash for ya buddy, a lot of professional guitarists know very little about tone. You'd be surprised. Dime wasn't the kind of guy who cared about guitar tone, he just wanted to play guitar. The guy used solid state amps for most of his life and said in an interview when he thought of a tube amp, he thought of ZZ Top or AC/DC. The man ruled at guitar, but his knowledge about tone was far from good.

 

[Benny H]

He might have been lacking in the useless information catagory, the good for nothing but talking shit catagory.

But he dialed in some awesome tone, so he certainly didn't miss the point.

When you miss the point, you know shit.. no matter how much your mouth(which has nothing to do with guitar sound) can spew forth.

Dimebag >>>>>>>> Mark who?, in everyway.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

I've completely stayed out of this argument but here's my $0.02. First of all, fucken everyone stop with the absolutes, this sucks that sucks, I mean who the fuck are you to say that? OK, that being said, it's really simple the shit you guys are arguing about which is really fucking pointless. Here's my example:

Take that Gothenburg sounding riff from track three on This Godless Endeavor. It sounds rad. It's a fast riff with lots of fretting and it's done with a Krank. Play that riff with an Engl. It'll probably sound even better.

Ok, now take the main riff on Dimmu Borgir's DCA track 2. It sounds rad. it's a really heavy, slow riff and it's done with an Engl. Play that riff with a Krank. It'll probably sound even better.

My point is that in some arenas the Engl is going to sound better than the Krank and vice versa. For the style of bands like NM or AE, I (along with most people) think the Krank is a better suited sound. And for those bands that lean more toward "black metal" I think the Engl sounds better. The problem is if you're a metal band, you've gotta choose one guitar sound for each album.

and NEWS FLASH! some people like different kinds of metal, hence they care for different tones. Now grow up and accept that just because an amp sounds good to you doesn't mean it sounds better to everyone else...

...does anyone know what a rusty trombone is?