Another Drug to add to my list
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Originally posted by Satori
Heheh, nice one, however, rather than avoiding the point of the discussion, why not try to prove that I am wrong in my assumptions, and why not rebuttal what I've said? To do any less is a cop-out.
So let's run through my assumptions for accuracy, shall we?
I assumed you do NOT have a deep spiritual/metaphysical slant to you. Am I wrong? If so, please enlighten me. Please share your philosophical and metaphysical insights with me, I'd love to hear them.
I assumed that since you aren't inclined to have such spiritual experiences (cuz you don't seem very "deep" or knowledgeable about such things) then you most certainly wouldn't have them under the influence of psychoatives either. Again, am I wrong? Have you experimented with these drugs for the purpose of spiritual exploration? If so, how did it pale in comparison to your other pursuits? (what other pursuits?) Are you even capable of having such experiences at this point in your life? I don't think so, at least not at this point. Therefore, you aren't in a position to say that using drugs for spiritual exploration is "bullshit" and be taken seriously. You have no basis for this argument (you didn't provide one) and you clearly don't know what you are talking about, which I think is pretty evident. You have probably never even read a book on the subject (another assumption I'm willing to state).
As for your assumptions about me, I don't think they are at all accurate, but depending on how you look at it, they can be true for you and no one else. Reality is subjective, and again, I don't expect you to know what I'm talking about, but I had to say it anyway.
cheerio,
Satori the overweight white male with an obsessive internet usage and severe superiority complex
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I like that. Here is the basis for what I said, the reason I don't believe one can have a spiritual endeavor while on a drug such as LSD is because the feelings aren't your own true feelings, you are hallucinating, Soul4Raziel PhD I would also like to add that assumption is not an effective practice. I'm looking in your direction Satori
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Originally posted by Soul4Raziel
How does one so easily differentiate a real feeling from a hallucination? I don't feel that line can be so easily drawn, if at all.
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LSD, schrooms, speed, crystal meth, coke, pcp (by accident), 2-CB (aka Nexus), mdma, alcohol, and weed (including hash and oil).
We used to get some awesome fucking oil in Stephenville back in the late 80's and early 90's. They just don't make it like that anymore.
Most of these were one-off tries in small amounts to satisfy my curiosity (expect pcp, that was just a stupid mistake of trusting the wrong person who meant well). The only things I would do again is mdma (very rarely) and weed (which I love). I'll probably drink again at some point in my life, but I don't plan on it, it'll probably just happen. I have never tried nicotine, and I never will. Coke is just stupid and pointless and not much fun at all. Crystal is a lot of fun, but it's not worth feeling like crap for 2 weeks afterward (I'm not kidding).
I used to be a little bit "afraid" of drugs, I felt like I had to avoid certain ones (like coke) or else run the risk of becoming addicted or something. That's our education system for you, bent on preaching fear and intolerence rather than the truth. Drugs aren't that big of a deal, and they are certainly nothing to be afriad of, though I would never try herion or crack or anything like that, but not cuz I'm afraid of them, I just don't feel like it, I'm no longer curious about such things now.
cheers,
Satori
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I don't feel as if that line HAS to be drawn.
When I was younger I meditated quite a bit and as a result created some of the most "high" yet clear states of mind I've ever experienced, states I would compare only to lsd because of the overwhelming similarity, and never to a normal state of consciousness. Therefore, from my point of view, whether I attained this state though lsd or meditation ("a product of my own accord") is irrelevent, the result was the same in both cases.
While lsd is artificial, the state of mind it creates is not, and I feel that all states of mind have something to show us about ourselves and the world around us.
Everything we do practically affects our state of mind. The foods we eat, the temperature of the air around us, how much sleep we had, what events are going on in our lives, what we are thinking about, the time of day, the time of year, hormones, sunlight.. all these are factors which influence us. The influence of these factors does not make the state of mind invalid, besides, there is NO ONE who can say that this or that is valid or invalid, it's completely up to the observer to make that call and no one else.
Personally, I have never been so clear-headed as those times I was on lsd.
I have to wonder what you think lsd is like. I'm willing to bet you've never tried it. It's a very subtle yet profound shift of consciousness which is accompanied by increased alertness and capacity for thought. It also has a tendency to clear the mind and enable the user to gain incredible insights they may not have otherwise attained. These insights persist for years, long after the drug has worn off, and the user maintains the abilty to think from that clear lsd perspective, therefore, it's not merely a hallucination, something deeper and more profound has occured than just a simply fantasy. It's not like smoking weed or drinking booze, it doesn't incapacitate thought, it facilitates it, and it continues to facilitate it for years. I will never forget the insights I've gained from using this drug and I know I am a better and more intelligent person as a result of experiencing its effects.
I'm not the only person who feels this way about lsd by the way, there are many others as well, I'm just one of many. It's a great (although dangerous) drug.
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