Anti-Capitalist Extreme Metal
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SentinelSlain
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Saparmurat_Niyazov
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Taking an anti-capitalist stance is the mark of an ignorant man. Capitalism is the only system which protects the rights of the individual and removes extortion and exploitation from the workplace. Anti-capitalists are trendhoppers who don't realize that they're silently advocating the outdated model of feudalism which created slavery, child labor, and many of the things which they blame on capitalism. True capitalism is the most modern and advanced theory of economics, and the only truly progressive economic system, based in the exchange of value for value resulting in mutual benefit for all parties engaged.
The typical socialist comes from a very privileged, well off background. The rich can afford socialism -- the working class cannot. Collectivism is responsible for the downfall of every major society. Once you advocate sacrificing the individual to the collective, everyone goes down the drain, even you.
An anti-capitalist musician does not possess the skill level produced by capitalism's drive to succeed -- a system that rejects individual accomplishment does not produce great minds.
The typical socialist comes from a very privileged, well off background. The rich can afford socialism -- the working class cannot. Collectivism is responsible for the downfall of every major society. Once you advocate sacrificing the individual to the collective, everyone goes down the drain, even you.
An anti-capitalist musician does not possess the skill level produced by capitalism's drive to succeed -- a system that rejects individual accomplishment does not produce great minds.
Mort Divine
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Capitalism is extortion and exploitation in the workplace.
Capitalism ≠ Democracy
Anti-capitalists believes in social justice and equality.
The opposite of the American dream, so republicans would have us believe.
Manic Ferocity
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Explain to me how capitalism is extortion and exploitation in the workplace.
Being a hardcore/crust nut is hard sometimes because there's nothing but raw emotion and economic naivety with lyrics like that. Fitting for genres of music largely based around raw emotion and youthful spirit though, I guess.
Being a hardcore/crust nut is hard sometimes because there's nothing but raw emotion and economic naivety with lyrics like that. Fitting for genres of music largely based around raw emotion and youthful spirit though, I guess.
Mort Divine
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How is it not exploitation?
You are having the vast majority of the value you create stolen from you.
You are having the vast majority of the value you create stolen from you.
Manic Ferocity
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How? You do realize that people take and keep their jobs voluntarily, right? If people feel like they are being treated unfairly, they are free to seek employment elsewhere. That's the beauty of capitalism.
The only things that entrepreneurs are morally obligated to do in regards to employees is to take preventive measures against theft and workers threatening and/or causing physical harm to each other. That's when it ideally becomes a legal matter. Everything else that goes on in the workplace is entirely in their right to uphold. It's their property and you are not entitled to tell them how to run it based solely on your arbitrary idea of fair treatment.
Employers should not have to pay you anything other than the wages of their choosing, for example. Making the desire for higher pay required by law is theft. Minimum wage laws are the insisting of companies to provide what is basically welfare to its employees by threat of force. That is the text book definition of theft. You have it backwards.
Don't like the business you work for? Leave. That's the most moral and effective way to encourage them to change the way they treat their employees.
The only things that entrepreneurs are morally obligated to do in regards to employees is to take preventive measures against theft and workers threatening and/or causing physical harm to each other. That's when it ideally becomes a legal matter. Everything else that goes on in the workplace is entirely in their right to uphold. It's their property and you are not entitled to tell them how to run it based solely on your arbitrary idea of fair treatment.
Employers should not have to pay you anything other than the wages of their choosing, for example. Making the desire for higher pay required by law is theft. Minimum wage laws are the insisting of companies to provide what is basically welfare to its employees by threat of force. That is the text book definition of theft. You have it backwards.
Don't like the business you work for? Leave. That's the most moral and effective way to encourage them to change the way they treat their employees.
H.P. Lovecraft
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>Likes "anti-capitalist" metal
>Is presumably using computer or smart device manufactured in the third world and bought it from a store, not to mention is requesting music that requires capitalism to obtain, etc.
10/10.
>Is presumably using computer or smart device manufactured in the third world and bought it from a store, not to mention is requesting music that requires capitalism to obtain, etc.
10/10.
Vilden
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Examples would be great your just stating things. If you want to be taken seriously you can't just say "you are having the vast majority of what you make stolen from you" and expecting it to mean something. Corrupt politics are the problem, not the idea, as with most things its a great system but politics ruin it. And if you think republicans are the problem think again, democrats squander our country's money, lie through their teeth, and generally have no idea how the hell this thing works, yet are quick to say there's nothing wrong and we should celebrate whilst the unemployment is the lowest it's been in years even though the number of people without jobs is the highest it's been in years.
P.S even in the American capitalism taxes should be illegal if that's what you meant by your quote it was started to fund the first world war. We fought a war against it for gods sake.
CiG
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Haddock666
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Finnish crust punk greets you.
There are more forms of society than just capitalism and socialism. Always when some one says he/she is anti-capitalist they think that person is socialist/communist/anarchist.
CiG
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Haddock666
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Anti-capitalists can also be nihilist, fascist, national socialist, anti political. I'm socialist and come from poor family. Luckily in Finland we have free education, good social secure, almost free healthcare. If Finland would have been more capitalist/liberalist, it would have been nightmare. You have to pay a lot for healthcare insurance, and not only for yourself. And then pay big money for education.
CiG
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That's a rather shallow view of capitalism, there are many variations of capitalism, you can have capitalism and also tax funded "free" healthcare.
Capitalism just means privately owned industry and trade for profit rather than government owned.
Capitalism just means privately owned industry and trade for profit rather than government owned.
Haddock666
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Yeah. Unfortunately if you think about washing machine shop, most of the people in that place can only buy the cheap one, which of course brokes easily, so they have to buy new one soon again. Then owner of the shop finds out that he/she can now produce even cheaper and worse washing machine for profit, then fires people to get even more profit. In another place/town poor people cannot buy washing machin but the upper class can. Shops owner sees that he/she can live with that upper class products. Of course the good thing in society like that food and some products are cheapier and taxes are lower.
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