Yes the sound very accoustic.. and thats what I like about it. Anyone got some samples that sound similiar to their sound?
Anyone got drumsamples like the Behemoth - Tha Apostasy?
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If the things they said on the "making of"-videos are true, no samples were used except for the kick.
Thats very true. But the drums sound good and I'm looking for samples that sound similar to their accoustic drums. No processed scooped out samples..
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Just giving props to that album.
Awesome to see that they pushed and pushed to get great performances, and only triggered the kicks too - I feel like there's a little too much "fixing" happening within the DM world right now, but i guess it's part of the culture now.
Looking forward to hearing their new live CD too.
The samples I wouldn't mind getting (for the kick) either,.. pretty wicked sounding.
Awesome to see that they pushed and pushed to get great performances, and only triggered the kicks too - I feel like there's a little too much "fixing" happening within the DM world right now, but i guess it's part of the culture now.
Looking forward to hearing their new live CD too.
The samples I wouldn't mind getting (for the kick) either,.. pretty wicked sounding.
yeah, I'm also into getting a more accoustic sound on my upcoming mix of the DM band Aeon. I've got some decent samples I made myself earlier but I'm always looking for more and better sounding samples.
I might post the song later on when the band makes it official.
devouredremains
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true dat. what happened to using the actual performance. ive never liked the sound of triggered toms. pennywise has an awesome tom sound...
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Just to clear something.. I'm not against the use of samples - I just think that replacing the whole kit with samples is lazy and defeatist*.
I know we're all striving for a perfect sound, but if you didn't "make" the sound - then it's hardly "your" perfect sound that you're attaining.
What I meant as well is about time aligning whole performances, and beat mapping everything.
The best drummer I ever worked with took 20 mins to warm up, get his clicks right and just performed. All I had to do was worry about the sound.
There was groove in places, but it made the performance more real and give it energy..
Which is what the Apostasy has, it's done to a click - and it's probably 95% dead on, but I like the 5% waver that gives it the realness.
*Obviously there are situations in which engineers are in a better position to replace everything, for instance, there is a bad room with cheap mics which then can be improved by samples. I just don't really like the idea of creating something that isn't real to the band [members performances].
I know we're all striving for a perfect sound, but if you didn't "make" the sound - then it's hardly "your" perfect sound that you're attaining.
What I meant as well is about time aligning whole performances, and beat mapping everything.
The best drummer I ever worked with took 20 mins to warm up, get his clicks right and just performed. All I had to do was worry about the sound.
There was groove in places, but it made the performance more real and give it energy..
Which is what the Apostasy has, it's done to a click - and it's probably 95% dead on, but I like the 5% waver that gives it the realness.
*Obviously there are situations in which engineers are in a better position to replace everything, for instance, there is a bad room with cheap mics which then can be improved by samples. I just don't really like the idea of creating something that isn't real to the band [members performances].
sample replacement isnt a "go to" method of recording drums for me. but certainly helps if you need it to fix something 
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yeah but for a lot of people, it seems like they always need to "fix" everything.
which is why behemoth is awesome.
i still don't know how i feel about the album musically, but it just sounds so damn good!
which is why behemoth is awesome.
i still don't know how i feel about the album musically, but it just sounds so damn good!
Goddamn, Behemoth is easily one of my favorite bands, and I was planning on starting a thread comparing and contrasting the amazingly different productions between their two most recent (and my two favorite of theirs) albums, "Demigod" and "The Apostasy." (but I'll just hijack this one instead 
) Demigod has a much cleaner, more clinical sound; the snare is unbelievably sample-replaced in comparison, the guitars a bit thinner (comparitively), and TONS of layering on the vocals. The Apostasy, by comparison, has probably the coolest snare I've ever heard (the way it's got more of a "crock" than a "crack," so to speak, cuz it's SOooo deep), and it sounds so organic and dynamic; the kicks are amazing, and I'm glad they're sample replaced, I honestly think natural kicks have absolutely no place in metal, the guitars are massively fat (occasionally I think just a bit too much, but it still rules), and Nergal's vocals are less layered, letting his trademark ROAR come through more naturally.
I love both, and the production on both, but I feel "Demigod" is much more generic, whereas "The Apostasy" is unique in its incredible organic nature (though I prefer Demigod musicially ever so slightly). GOD I LOVE THIS BAND, they're so groovy and catchy while still being insanely brutal, unlike bands like Suffocation that just bore me to tears with the endless blast beats/breakdowns and chromatic/diminished riffs. Once again, European bands triumph over American - we suck
) Demigod has a much cleaner, more clinical sound; the snare is unbelievably sample-replaced in comparison, the guitars a bit thinner (comparitively), and TONS of layering on the vocals. The Apostasy, by comparison, has probably the coolest snare I've ever heard (the way it's got more of a "crock" than a "crack," so to speak, cuz it's SOooo deep), and it sounds so organic and dynamic; the kicks are amazing, and I'm glad they're sample replaced, I honestly think natural kicks have absolutely no place in metal, the guitars are massively fat (occasionally I think just a bit too much, but it still rules), and Nergal's vocals are less layered, letting his trademark ROAR come through more naturally. I love both, and the production on both, but I feel "Demigod" is much more generic, whereas "The Apostasy" is unique in its incredible organic nature (though I prefer Demigod musicially ever so slightly). GOD I LOVE THIS BAND, they're so groovy and catchy while still being insanely brutal, unlike bands like Suffocation that just bore me to tears with the endless blast beats/breakdowns and chromatic/diminished riffs. Once again, European bands triumph over American - we suck
Chryst Krispies
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I agree 100000% with this but I disagreee on the Suffo deal. Suffo fuckin rules. America FTW.
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Chryst Krispies
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says the guy with a european guy in his avatar
Don't hate bro.
I never said fuck Europe.
I'm just saying Suffocation rules and America doesn't always suck with metal.
When the drummer have a good kit with well tuned heads and plays good it's amazing - Nils of Aeon are that good which is in this case.. I like to sample the whole kit and blend it with the original tracks. Compress one of them and you get a really good combination.. I never do drum editing and quantizing the whole kit...
well.. just feels like i have to defend my choice of sound replacing, and I do it for some reasons..
1. The drummer has a bad kit
2. The drummer has a good kit and I can sample it and blend it in.
3. In the end you feel like the snare just doesn't sound right and you need another one.
Horns up!
