Author claims to have proof of God!

[abyssofdreams]

And it stuck around as the best thing ever

penis butter? what what? there's flavoured lubricants dude.
no need to abuse nutella for your sausage unless you're gay and it's not really nutella but...oh well...

 

[Damphire]

It all comes back to basic science and darwinism.

Well actually evolution is NOT basic science. Yep, is kind of hard to believe but is called the theory of evolution and not the LAW of evolution simply because it cannot be proved by empirical testing and event repetition. Don't get me wrong, I think evolution is a far more logical approach than creationism but the fact is that neither can be proved right now. I read somewhere that there is a series of evolution "predictions" that have been stated, if those "predictions" become true with time then the theory will be confirmed.

I'm not in favor of this guy... Anyway... if there is a God, why did It let Death Magnetic or rap music happen?

 

[drew_drummer]

I've said it before and I say it again. Evolution of humanity went too fast to be all natural without ANY influence.
I'll post the article later on. Prolly gotta scan it, cause I can't find it online right now.

Psilocybin.

 

[drew_drummer]

Well actually evolution is NOT basic science. Yep, is kind of hard to believe but is called the theory of evolution and not the LAW of evolution simply because it cannot be proved by empirical testing and event repetition. Don't get me wrong, I think evolution is a far more logical approach than creationism but the fact is that neither can be proved right now. I read somewhere that there is a series of evolution "predictions" that have been stated, if those "predictions" become true with time then the theory will be confirmed.

I'm not in favor of this guy... Anyway... if there is a God, why did It let Death Magnetic or rap music happen?

Nah...

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

 

[colonel kurtz]

Evolution of humanity went too fast to be all natural without ANY influence.

i've been trying to stay on the sidelines in this thread...but i have to say, i don't understand at all where one would get that opinion from, especially if you realize that evolution isn't necessarily going to happen on a linear scale. we might've spent hundreds of thousands of years living in stick huts, grunting at each other and beating animals to death with rocks...but as soon as a single group of people developed agriculture and written language, it made if far easier for us to progress to where we are now.

of course there's also those who believe that we reverse-engineered alien technology to come up with IC's, night vision, stealth technology, and a bunch of other more modern shit...but even then, i don't think any one being or outside influence was guiding man along hundreds, or even a few, generations ago.

also, although evolution is "just" a theory, i believe that it's becoming closer and closer to being proven every day as we document the changes - both physically and mentally - in the organisms around us. i remember reading an article a couple years ago about a bunch of birds on some island whose beaks have almost completely changed their shape over a span of 3 generations(which comes out to only a few years) because thier original food source is basically gone. on top of that, science has been documenting an increasing number of species as using tools in their everyday lives where they were previously thought not to. this may not necessarily be directly linked to evolution, but it shows that we're definitely not the only creatures on this planet capable of logical thinking, and that the only "one-up" that we have on other species is the fact that we have the ability to convey thoughts and ideas to each other in written form.

 

[colonel kurtz]

what I don't understand is this: how does an organism pass on any kind of adaptations to it's offspring? The genes it passes on to it's offspring are the exact same as they were when it began it's life, so how would it's offspring be in any way more evolved than it's parent was?

who says that the genes you pass on are the same that you inherited? as an organism lives, it physically adapts to its surroundings...those physical changes occur in the body as a re-coding/re-sequencing(mutation) of the DNA...then, when you have your offspring, you pass your mutated genetic code onto them

at least that's how i've always understood it to work

 

[SocialNumb]

This thread needs laughter!

vid

Ha! that was great. OT, check out the new "wide" player on youtube. Bout time.

 

[abyssofdreams]

Psilocybin.

Fuck off

 

[drew_drummer]

Fuck off

Nice one alien boy!

 

[abyssofdreams]

i've been trying to stay on the sidelines in this thread...but i have to say, i don't understand at all where one would get that opinion from, especially if you realize that evolution isn't necessarily going to happen on a linear scale. we might've spent hundreds of thousands of years living in stick huts, grunting at each other and beating animals to death with rocks...but as soon as a single group of people developed agriculture and written language, it made if far easier for us to progress to where we are now.

of course there's also those who believe that we reverse-engineered alien technology to come up with IC's, night vision, stealth technology, and a bunch of other more modern shit...but even then, i don't think any one being or outside influence was guiding man along hundreds, or even a few, generations ago.

also, although evolution is "just" a theory, i believe that it's becoming closer and closer to being proven every day as we document the changes - both physically and mentally - in the organisms around us. i remember reading an article a couple years ago about a bunch of birds on some island whose beaks have almost completely changed their shape over a span of 3 generations(which comes out to only a few years) because thier original food source is basically gone. on top of that, science has been documenting an increasing number of species as using tools in their everyday lives where they were previously thought not to. this may not necessarily be directly linked to evolution, but it shows that we're definitely not the only creatures on this planet capable of logical thinking, and that the only "one-up" that we have on other species is the fact that we have the ability to convey thoughts and ideas to each other in written form.

Yes, your points are valid but I wasn't referring to technology development or anything along those lines. I was just saying that in a respected science magazine there was a huge article about evolution and it stated that there's some facts that cannot be explained (yet) like the way evolution took its path. Of course, it is still not fully explored, all I did was to connect that statement with stuff I've read on other fields. Now the aliens come into play. It is one thing to believe something but another to analyze evidence that add some pieces to the big puzzle.

It is my very own perspective to take that into account as I am convinced about what I've read about it. I don't claim that evolution is the key to everything. Damnit, you really challenge me here, as my memories don't serve me very well right now about that (scientifically analyzed) theory and its supporting arguments. I really need to find it now

 

[abyssofdreams]

Nice one alien boy!

Is it that you are just plain ignorant or is it the interwebz failz? :Smug:

 

[STINNETT]

There are a lot of appealing things about the theory of evolution and a lot of strong, sensible evidence on it's side, but it's far from being rock solid. I understand that a big part of it is that an organism will adapt to it's ever-changing surroundings and over time, new physical features will arise, etc...but what I don't understand is this: how does an organism pass on any kind of adaptations to it's offspring? The genes it passes on to it's offspring are the exact same as they were when it began it's life, so how would it's offspring be in any way more evolved than it's parent was? I know we're talking massive chunks of time here for evolution to take place, but if a parent can only pass on the exact DNA it was born with, then it seems like the theory is pretty weak. Certainly genetic mutations will occur over time, but they are in no way related to adaptation. If anyone has an informative answer, I would welcome it.

I think you have the wrong idea about when and how genetic mutations arise, and how a product of this can come to be called an "adaptation".

First of all, genetic "adaptations" do not typically occur during the lifespan of a single organism. (Okay, so that's not totally ruled out - but for my purposes I will assume this is the case.)
Random mutations do however occur in the genetic material donated from the parents. You have to assume that everyone's gene copying mechanism is not 100% accurate and thus germ line cells or reproductive cells of the parents sometimes have differences. Genetic material can also be affected by environmental factors such as ultraviolet radiation.
These mutations, when they occur, will be expressed in the resultant phenotype, or the physical manifestation of the offspring organism.
You have 3 basic outcomes at this point.
1. The mutation will be silent - not expressed in the phenotype, or it will have no real consequences. Probably the most common.
2. The mutation will be positive and beneficial.
3. The mutation will be negative, hindering the organism in some way.

If it is a beneficial trait, aiding the organism's survival in some way, then you would expect this organism to breed successfully and pass this new trait on to its offspring. If it's wildly successful, then you could even expect this trait to propogate throughout the entire species over time, eventually becoming one of the defining characteristics of that species.
If it's a negative trait or a hinderance, you might expect this organism to die without contributing to the gene pool as much as its more successful cousins. The mutation will disappear.

That is basically natural selection in a nutshell.