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Got a miasma vibe going on here! Things are sitting together quite well but it's really thin and far away. Perhaps you've got an assortment of unnecessary stuff on the master channel? As for the mix, guitars need juice. A bit bee in a cup-ish.
bryan_kilco
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xAfterTheBurial
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sounds good man, i think the guitars could come up a bit and bring the cymbals/snare down just a tad. Are the guitars quad tracked?
Yeah, I think I may have compressed the drums a bit too much. On this mix I only have a light compressor and a limiter to prevent clipping. The compressor is set only working when the snare hits. I agree on the guitars, I'll probably have to notch out around the 2.3k range.
Thank you very much
But it brings the brOOtz!!
The cymbals? I thought those might have been to quiet as it is, but I do agree on the snare. I always have trouble sitting it in the mix. The guitars aren't quad tracked, just a single left and right.
my one gripe with bdm is that they don't have chuggy beatdowns, so this band are in some ways better than them
i think the guitars could be louder, but the drums and vocals sound really good.
doesn't sound loud enough either.
other than that, awesome band, and a really good job on the song so far!
thanks,
KBMoser
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sounds pretty alright. snares not my taste.
neither is that guitar tone, though half of it is the way he played. or she.
the mix is a bit dry and thats how you get that raw sound but theres a point where to much dry sound amateur. bring that snare down, add more body to it and give it some room verb. somehere between 500 hz and 900 hz is a nasty ring overtone on that snare. hate it. lots of snare comments..... lol. sorry. but seriously though tame it and compress vocals with a larger threshold, add some 3 k and mix in long quiet verb. almost there.
neither is that guitar tone, though half of it is the way he played. or she.
the mix is a bit dry and thats how you get that raw sound but theres a point where to much dry sound amateur. bring that snare down, add more body to it and give it some room verb. somehere between 500 hz and 900 hz is a nasty ring overtone on that snare. hate it. lots of snare comments..... lol. sorry. but seriously though tame it and compress vocals with a larger threshold, add some 3 k and mix in long quiet verb. almost there.
Updated the mix based on your suggestions (except for KBMoser, just saw yours, sorry). I also raised the threshold on the toms compression and added a touch more high EQ and they seem to punch through much better, I guess I just squashed the life out of them before. Notched out 2.3 kHz on the guitars and slightly scooped some 500 Hz. The Stillwell Bombardier was added to the master buss to help raise the level some, but I'm still holding off on doing a for real master until all the songs are completed, mostly because I suck at it and have friends that can do it better. I'll leave the previous one up so you can do an A/B if you feel like it and judge what's better or worse between mixes.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/phineas%203-1.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/phineas%203-1.wav
sounds better, although my only worry is that the guitars will be too loud in the master, as mastering is gonna bring them up a lot. i know that's very contradictory, but i hadn't realised it wasn't mastered at all!
i find it's best to treat mixing and mastering as the same thing, and do them at the same time, because it does change the mix quite considerably. i done reasonably quick masters on both versions you've posted.
the first version:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/726501/Mixes/pm1.mp3
the updated version:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/726501/Mixes/pm2.mp3
you can see a few things, the guitar tone in the first one actually sounds better to me, but also, they're the right level. in the second master, the guitars are too loud (and a bit boxy maybe?).
also, the snare is going to get murdered in the solo during mastering without automation.
i hope that's helped a bit!
thanks,
i find it's best to treat mixing and mastering as the same thing, and do them at the same time, because it does change the mix quite considerably. i done reasonably quick masters on both versions you've posted.
the first version:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/726501/Mixes/pm1.mp3
the updated version:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/726501/Mixes/pm2.mp3
you can see a few things, the guitar tone in the first one actually sounds better to me, but also, they're the right level. in the second master, the guitars are too loud (and a bit boxy maybe?).
also, the snare is going to get murdered in the solo during mastering without automation.
i hope that's helped a bit!
thanks,
Cool, thank you for that. I'll turn the guitars back down when I get home and do some automation on the snare as well. As for mastering while I mix; I have a buddy who used to work for Bob Katz and now teaches a class on mastering he's told me forever that I need to mix first and master later. That's also the reason that the original mix was so quiet, so there was plenty of headroom available to master. Anyway, thanks again for your help.
i'll admit that mixing and mastering at the same time is an uncommon method, but i always find with keeping them separate, that i need to change something in the mix, because mastering is changing it so much.
that said, mixing and mastering at the same time does have a few names behind it.
ultimately, you should do what gets you the best results, don't be afraid to do things your own way!
thanks,
that said, mixing and mastering at the same time does have a few names behind it.
ultimately, you should do what gets you the best results, don't be afraid to do things your own way!
thanks,
What do you use on your master chain while you mix? Ozone, Slate FG-X, something else I may know nothing about?
Ozone is what i primarily use, and is what's on the master for that.
i do occasionally use a few others, depending on the sound i'm going for, but nothing else consistently.
thanks,
i do occasionally use a few others, depending on the sound i'm going for, but nothing else consistently.
thanks,
OK, I know it's been a while but I think I'm finally done with the songs I've been working on for these guys. There was a lot of little knit-picking parts they wanted me to go back and take care of as I was getting pretty far along in my mixing/mastering, as well as me having other shit I needed to work on, but I think I'm about finished. Take a listen to these 5 songs and tell me what you think.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/encroachment.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/phineas.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/Prayer%20Inverted.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/Redo.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/twofer.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/encroachment.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/phineas.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/Prayer%20Inverted.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/Redo.wav
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20204846/abcan%20done/twofer.wav
eternally_gutted
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Kick and snare were completely replaced using a combination of Slate Trigger samples and LSD samples. I think I had 4-5 kicks blended and 2-3 snares. Toms are au natural and I used Audix D2's on the racks, the D4 on the high floor and a 421 on the low floor tom. I close mic'd the crashes, in groups of 2, using Rode nt5's, mic'd the hihats using a Heil PR-40, and mic'd the ride using a 57. I didn't use a room mic simply because we tracked in my living room and didn't sound great. That and I really didn't think I would use it considering how much shit is going on in the music. The snare, toms, and OH's were all sent to the same reverb bus and I just used Roomworks in Cubase. I EQ'd each track to remove 30Hz and below, scooped some of the woofy lo-mids and raised the high end to help it cut through better. I think I used Stillwell Audio compressors on each drum track with only a few dB of GR. For the OH's I filtered out up to about 500Hz. Oh, and on the hihat and ride track I inserted a gate to help get ride of any unnecessary room tone.
TofNazareth
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sounds pro! i really want to comment on much your mix came together. vox sit perfect now, what was the chain you ended up with on them? kick came to life, my one complaint is that all the toms how a ton of low end still. what did you high pass the tom 1&2 at?
Thanks, though after finally listening to it in the car I noticed I have just way too much low end and the guitars are a little too buried. I'll have to get back to you on the Tom filters, but I think they were set to 30-50Hz. Vocals were a 414 through a SCA N72 and each track of vox had a Stillwell EQ filtering up to 110Hz, scooping around 400Hz and boosting the high mids and I think around 200Hz them compressed heavily with a Stillwell Rocket an then limited. Individual tracks were then bussed together and cubase's datube was inserted in the buss for just a touch of grit. The buss was then sent to an aux track with a delay, slight chorus and reverb, then blended to taste. I can't remember my exact setting and I'm not at home to check, but it looks like I'm gonna do some slight remixing as it is so I'll document everything when I'm done.
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