Black Metal Mix (Dissection Style) Part 2!

[Pman]

I made this thread a little while back and have quite a heavily altered mix and master i'd like some critique on.

Info from the original thread:
Mixing a 15 minute black metal song in the style of Dissection.
One guy did the Vocals, Guitars and Bass, and another did the drums.
Drumming was very inconsistent and tom's poorly recorded so both have been heavily replaced. Snare has been reinforced.
Bass is my cheap Washburn with some OLD strings.

Been having a lot of trouble with guitars. After several reamps with different amps and terrible results, i got the chance to reamp with my own 5150 block letter combo. The chain being: cheap washburn with stock pickups DI > ts9 > 5150 blockletter combo > 57 > cheap tube pre

Ended up having loads of reflections in the signals and after removing troublesome frequencies, the guitars were pretty dead in the end.
I got the chance to do the guitars again in a slightly more treated room but still ended up cutting loads of frequencies.

Here's a mastered sample. I'd appreciate any feedback as I feel i've done as much as I can on it (without redoing the guitars).
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8740721/samclip1611.mp3

Cheers

 

[JakeAC5253]

I am digging it! Yeah, I feel like you were able to work those guitars into the mix nicely, but they do sound like a lot of work was done to them.

I've actually been playing around with similar tones lately trying to get something really neat that has that vintage death metal sound to it. I've been hooking up my HM-2 or MT-2 when I can, but I don't get call for this type of tone much, at least not as much as standard TS into 5150 tone. I would love to play around with this a little though, if you are willing to send a sample of DIs and the mix up to this point. I'd have a blast coming up with a tone for it.

BTW: Post 666

 

[Pman]

Cheers
I've been listening to the guitars again and comparing them to other tracks and have decided to try reamping one more time. Theres too much 'wooshy' middle in these guitars and not enough presence, it sounds to me at least.
Yeah i'll upload some stems and DI's tonight as i'd like to see what type of tones you could get!

 

[Pman]

Here's some stems.
I'd love it if anyone including JakeAC5253 could post some clips of their tone, for comparison.

[url]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8740721/samstems/bass.wav[/url]
[url]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8740721/samstems/drums.wav[/url]
[url]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8740721/samstems/vox.wav[/url]
[url]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8740721/samstems/DIl.wav[/url]
[url]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8740721/samstems/DIr.wav[/url]

 

[RaNk]

This is pretty cool. For a Dissection type tone I think it might be better if it's a little bit fatter (if you're after that).

I would also take some off the cymbals in the 3/4K zone. There's quite a metallic sound on your cymbals which you could soften a bit. It makes more room for the guitars and vocals and sounds less harsh. I had to do this on the total drums which is not ideal of course.

My try on your tracks:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19759737/Black Metal Mix - RaNk.mp3

It's just for an idea to try something, not saying which is better.

*edit*
New reamp with a little less harsh guitars.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Very cool of you to offer up the files for testing. I played around with this quickly and I have two different tones for you.

Clean:


Grit:


No EQ or post processing on either, aside from HP 80 and LP 12k.

 

[JakeAC5253]

PMan, clear your PM box, I am trying to send you the reamps