BMTH - There Is a Hell - FULL ALBUM on myspace

[GarethSE]

Ket heads are almost always absolute tossers, EXPLAINS A LOT.

 

[Ermz]

Fredrik Nordstrom produced this?
Wow, he's seemingly gone from being a really picky guy that only worked with the best at the time (In Flames, Arch Enemy, Dark Tranquility, Soilwork, At The Gates, Opeth), to now suddenly doing this shit.
I don't understand this.
Why the fuck would you suddenly start polishing turds after having been involved with some of the most golden metal records ever? WHY?

This band can't seem to decide whether they're a deathcore band, a melodic metalcore band, or a scene-electronic-core band.
Trying to be diverse is not a good thing if you can't even do one genre right.

Great post. Though the denominating factor in all those genres is the word 'core', implying fail from the very outset.

Not getting why Nordstrom works with these guys either. I certainly hope it's not out of necessity. I understand the industry is in a bit of a bind, but I'd hoped not this bad. It's ironic after that tirade he went on in that interview that asked him about In Flames and their new direction. He went on about how the leaders became the followers, despite his insistence, yet what are these guys... they are the pure, unadulterated iteration of followers who can't even collectively decide what they're following.

Mix-wise, I'm not the biggest fan either. The guitars eat up into a lot of the midrange, creating a very cluttered and fatiguing mix. This is a far cry from the Clayman days.

 

[Rockchops]

Fredrik Nordstrom produced this?
Wow, he's seemingly gone from being a really picky guy that only worked with the best at the time

Not at all dude, he has worked with lots of amazing bands, but he has always done unknown shitty bands, it just happens that this band is a well known piece of shit

 

[GarethSE]

Not getting why Nordstrom works with these guys either. I certainly hope it's not out of necessity. I understand the industry is in a bit of a bind, but I'd hoped not this bad.

Of course it's this bad.

This album is the purest example of design by committee "music" made solely for the distraction of 13 year olds who got dragged kicking and screaming through the nearest branch of hot topic.
It's music for teenagers as someone said earlier. Teenagers are impressionable creatures, far more so than children are.
Teenagers are aware enough to start having identity issues but stupid enough to follow the crowd in hope that it will alleviate the issue (although from my observation, I can't see that this changes even after everyone's finished growing pubes and has chucked their Linkin Park CD's in the fucking bin.)

This, again, "music", (NOTE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE, OOOOH HOW FUCKING EDGY, I COULD DO A LITTLE DANCE TOO, THAT MIGHT ALSO BE EDGY AND UNIQUE, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I'M SURE YOU WOULD HMMMMMMMMMMMM) isn't meant to be creative, artistic or mentally nourishing in the goddamn slightest.

Since I stopped pissing on Sturgey Poo's proverbial parade I feel I need something different to write long, bitter rants about, complete with liberal vulgarity and the usage of a particular vaginal insult, and since that pseudo-philosophical misogynist cunt Oli Sykes isn't here to get all offended by the skint cunt that hasn't made it big enough to have respected opinions yet, I fail to see what harm it will do.

MEH, I say, MEH!
I'm going back to listening to Erkan's 5 minute album teaser clip on repeat so I can get my fix of music that doesn't sacrifice genuine self expression and intelligent song writing for the purposes of receiving verbal blowjobs of praise from scene girls of questionable age.


Edit: As an added point, the first person to dare make the post I know is coming about how "It's not THAAAT badly written, it's a good way to kill half hour" blah blah blah complacency gets my (sadly empty since I ate all the goddamn oranges 5 and a half hours ago,) fruit bowl to the face.
If this is average, I want to know what's shit in your eyes.
I FUCKING CALLED IT.

But I suppose saying that is like putting a "THE NEXT POSTER IS GAY" picture in place of all this. It will end with someone ironically taking one for the team so that the discussion can continue unhindered and this is not lost on me.

What I am saying is this post should probably not be taken seriously since I am in a state of insanity brought about by lack of goddamn tasty ORANGES right now, so just say "taking one for the team" and get on with your lives. FNAR FNAR

 

[christopher ridley]

As long as you feel better about yourself Gareth. This album is gay. Everyone who likes it is a gay. You all listen to crappy music. If you like this you are a 13 year old hot topic girl. Anyone who says anything after me is a gay.

Too bad every band can't be just like your favorite huh? I think you used a few words in there that you aren't sure what they mean as well.

There's a V2 rip out. Sounds great. The production is as good as I thought it would be after hearing the myspace steam. They'll be on tour with August Burs Red next month in the US. Should be a killer show. Can't wait.

 

[GarethSE]

Did you completely miss the part where I said the post was not to be taken that seriously due to lack of TASTY FRUIT or did your Mother have a meth habit while you were in the womb?

 

[JeffTD]

I don't care if you say the post shouldn't be taken seriously - you actually believe everything you wrote and I'm pretty sure you held back at points. The scariest part for me is when you said "Since I stopped pissing on Sturgey Poo's proverbial parade I feel I need something different to write long, bitter rants about," as if that's something you should be doing or that people want you do do or that people care about in the first place. Your rantings are seriously for you and you alone - write it down in a diary, unless that wouldn't give you enough attention?

Yup, everyone who listens to music you don't like is a hot topic shopping, impressionable teenage girl who has zero musical taste/ability and shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Since when does music have to be mentally nourishing and artistically stimulating?

I am so fucking sick of the idea that if you aren't farting into a tuba accompanied by a monk bloodletting onto a field snare then you aren't making "real art." As though being willfully obtuse and contrarian lends any more credibility to you than if you wrote pop songs. If making the music brings you joy that's great, but don't try to discredit someone else for finding the same joy in different music.

Honestly, the whole schpiel is getting old, not just from Gareth, but from everyone. You don't like it? Biiiiiig fucking deal. Complaining isn't going to change anything about it.

 

[DeclanWhite]

i love it. i love the work from the guest artists that helped make it and i love the songs.
yeah im a teen, but fuck so what? i listen to jazz, i listen to lady gaga, i can appreciate everything thats worth appreciating.

the production is awesome. the guys can play their instruments well (saw them live a few weeks ago)

great release.

the negative things i can see and will note are:
sometimes oli's vocals just dont fit and sound pretty horrible, but sometimes it fits awesomely and sets them apart well.
there are lots of riffs and ideas straight from the last album.
the album doesnt FLOW as well as id have hoped.
some of the lyrics are indeed corny and lame.. but some are cool and catchy
it isnt as polished sounding as the last album

still a good album in my books

 

[tempe]

Haven't heard it yet, but I don't mind their earlier stuff, and was in love with the guitar sound on suicide season. I might wait for a better quality version to have a listen.

 

[GarethSE]

No, not all music has to sound like a monk farting through a tuba (as awesome as that would be) and not all music has to be artistic expression up the fucking wazoo, but it is sheer complacency to acknowledge this as anything above average at best.
Music could and SHOULD be better than this. We as musicians should all be striving for something better, and I fail to see how taking a hundred completely unrelated elements and jamming them together with no thought for structure, flow or pacing is an improvement or a progression. Too many cooks spoil the goddamn broth. When they started out they did what they did and I didn't like but so fucking what, they got on with it and weren't getting too big for their boots just yet, but now? Seriously? I'd rather they just played breakdowns, because as it is, it's a noisy, frenetic, crowded shitfest, and unfortunately I'm not saying that as a compliment.
I have nothing against people that write good songs and just get on with it without trying to be arty fuckers or surrealist expressionists or any of that shit, I love the fuck out of Paramore because they are legitimately well written, catchy songs. This is not legitimately well written, just legitimately shit.

The power of marketing is a strong one. Does anyone still listen to Trivium - Shogun? Very few, because I'm sure we all realised that they're a bunch of passionless, fake, Metallica wannabes. People listened to them because Kerrang or whatever mainstream metal rag is the in thing in your area told you to. The same is happening here. Design by commitee. THIS IS QUALITY BECAUSE WE SAY SO.
Same thing with those godawful Transformers movies and yer Gears of Wars on the 360. Except if you take 5 minutes to look at them critically and strip away the fancy effects, all you're left with is a dull, emotionless, passionless dirge with nothing to set themselves apart from the crowd.
This is what Bring Me The Horizon are.
No, not all music has to be arty as fuck, but music doesn't have to insult your fucking intelligence as much as BMTH does.

 

[JeffTD]

*EDIT* Actually, I don't even need to respond to that - your posts alone are enough to discredit yourself without me jumping in.

 

[GarethSE]

I just don't see how ANYONE in their right mind could defend the new album.
That first track alone they released, what was it again.. It Never Ends?
In that track alone they covered anthemic choruses, choral parts, soaring post-rock lead guitars ala Godspeed You! Black Emperor. Just elements they've picked and chosen from a thousand various tracks they've heard with no care paid to the flow of an album. Nowadays people don't have time to sit and indulge themselves in a decent album, to bathe in its tracks and let the themes reveal themselves over the course of a listen.
Having choirs and soaring post rock guitars and anthemic choruses is FINE, and would be a progression if these were themes that they chose, used responsibly over the course of an album and allowed to develop into their own themes and tonal and textural motifs, but they threw it all in one track.
This is the ADHD generation, kids get their kicks from a 3 minute track then skip to a different artist and a different album entirely, repeat ad nauseum.
This doth not good music make, it's not a difficult idea to comprehend and anyone that considers themselves a musician should be able to understand all of this.

Broken record or not, I'm not about to stop speaking my mind just as you are not about to stop doing so either.

Goddamn I need to get a job writing for fucking Pitchfork or some other overrated bullshit review site, just so everyone slobbers on my proverbial opinion dick, just to prove a point.

 

[JeffTD]

^^Again, I really don't have to respond. I don't see how you expect people to take you seriously when you harp on and on and on and on and on about the same shite, day after day. I've read every single argument you made in that post more than a few times, and I still disagree. You don't like it, and I don't expect you to. At the same time, though, I'm not going to jump into every thread on Portal and shamelessly bash the horrific droning waves of shit stacked endlessly on top of each other into what they like to call "songs," because it would do nothing but serve my own selfish, self-satisfying need to bash things that I don't like and hope and pray that at least one other person feels the same way. I don't need that kind of attention to get through the day, or to be a (relatively) happy and productive person, and at the end of the day, dwelling on how bad a band (can you even call them that?) Portal is just makes me an angry and miserable old fuck.

Seriously - if lack of CITRIC ACID causes you to go into a fit of nonsensical rage about a band that you have never and will never be affected by unless you choose to be affected, I don't know what to tell you. Stop dwelling on stupid shit like what bands are destroying your beloved artform and start focusing on being happy or something even remotely productive, like writing your own masterpiece that will on it's own unequivocally SHIT all over BMTH. You're a talented dude, stop wasting your energy on this shit!

 

[Line666]

The irony in this whole thread is palpable.

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

You guys should calm down. All the stress of arguing on the internet is probably bad for you! I'll pick this one up. I dug Suicide Season.

 

[Sora01]

Everytime I hear a new song I find myself liking little bits, riffs or effects, but can't seem to shake the feeling that it's just dogshit

Same...I like the end of..."Fuck"...

But that's it, everything else is pretty lame...

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

God I love this place










And scenecore blows

 

[Trevoire520]

No, not all music has to sound like a monk farting through a tuba (as awesome as that would be) and not all music has to be artistic expression up the fucking wazoo, but it is sheer complacency to acknowledge this as anything above average at best.
Music could and SHOULD be better than this. We as musicians should all be striving for something better, and I fail to see how taking a hundred completely unrelated elements and jamming them together with no thought for structure, flow or pacing is an improvement or a progression. Too many cooks spoil the goddamn broth. When they started out they did what they did and I didn't like but so fucking what, they got on with it and weren't getting too big for their boots just yet, but now? Seriously? I'd rather they just played breakdowns, because as it is, it's a noisy, frenetic, crowded shitfest, and unfortunately I'm not saying that as a compliment.
I have nothing against people that write good songs and just get on with it without trying to be arty fuckers or surrealist expressionists or any of that shit, I love the fuck out of Paramore because they are legitimately well written, catchy songs. This is not legitimately well written, just legitimately shit.

The power of marketing is a strong one. Does anyone still listen to Trivium - Shogun? Very few, because I'm sure we all realised that they're a bunch of passionless, fake, Metallica wannabes. People listened to them because Kerrang or whatever mainstream metal rag is the in thing in your area told you to. The same is happening here. Design by commitee. THIS IS QUALITY BECAUSE WE SAY SO.
Same thing with those godawful Transformers movies and yer Gears of Wars on the 360. Except if you take 5 minutes to look at them critically and strip away the fancy effects, all you're left with is a dull, emotionless, passionless dirge with nothing to set themselves apart from the crowd.
This is what Bring Me The Horizon are.
No, not all music has to be arty as fuck, but music doesn't have to insult your fucking intelligence as much as BMTH does.

Wooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh......

I REALLY like Gears of War 2 dude. Not exactly tons of depth to it or anything, but it's great fun nonetheless.

Back on topic. Listening to this album just now and can't say it's grabbing me. I really liked Suicide Season but this album is just way too schizophrenic for me. Very much like they've chucked a bunch of stuff in because "yeah that'll be sick man" and then no-ones had the balls or sense to say "actually, that doesn't fit at all"

I was hoping this would be a really strong album, as originally they were a band I absolutely fucking despised. And then I heard Suicide Season and it was easily one of my favourite albums of the year.

 

[christopher ridley]

Same...I like the end of..."Fuck"...

Dude, that last riff on that song slays.

 

[updog]

This is and will always be a band that I like a bit but not too much. Why? Oli Sykes' screaming sounds fucking dreadful. It sounds like screaming with no actual technique whatsoever, and it's just not normal for the human nature to stand listening to it for a whole album.

I really dig his high-pitched screams and lows though, I would love to pull that off myself. I also know a lot of bands that have vocalists screaming mid-pitch and they sound pretty good, but Sykes just doesn't.

This is the kind of band I'd want to see live, it's pretty intense. Even though Oli Sykes' screams sound even worse live.

I haven't listened to the new album too much, but I've listened a few tracks and haven't been able to make up my mind. There are some cool new ideas and there are some new lame ideas. I didn't like "It Never Ends" too much.