Colin and Andy:what are you doing to your Guitars...

[eikefreese]

The title says it all:

I`m thrilled by the way their guitars sound.
As I am using a 5150 and my new weapon, the Framus Cobra I must say
that something is still missing.
Guys, your guitars sound awesome,
what is it that makes sound like the picks are glued to the strings?
Is it the C4?
Or that dolby thing?
I know all about the techniques (2x SM 57, Marshall Cab etc.), but my guitars
just wont sound as "sticky",
here is a sample of my work:

http://media.putfile.com/Negatordie-eherne-Replik

please delete after listening

my studios place:

www.eikey-studio.com

cheers everybody

 

[xmarcelx]

Aus Hamburg?

 

[KeithRT99]

what mic pre are you using?

 

[JeffTD]

What cabinet are you using? Also, a tighter performance, and quadtracking might help enourmously.


I have to say, I quite like the drums though!

 

[Matt Crooks]

I know this does not help but I thought the last Dark Age album sounded great.

 

[KeithRT99]

i don't speak german but that pic of the studio building is fucking snazzy

 

[sorceron]

The title says it all:

I`m thrilled by the way their guitars sound.
As I am using a 5150 and my new weapon, the Framus Cobra I must say
that something is still missing.
Guys, your guitars sound awesome,
what is it that makes sound like the picks are glued to the strings?
Is it the C4?
Or that dolby thing?
I know all about the techniques (2x SM 57, Marshall Cab etc.), but my guitars
just wont sound as "sticky",
here is a sample of my work:

http://media.putfile.com/Negatordie-eherne-Replik

please delete after listening

my studios place:

www.eikey-studio.com

cheers everybody

this song kicks ass

 

[poidaobi]

what are his C4 Settings...Andy's....

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Dark Age !!! \m/

 

[Niels]

Tube Screamer? Maxon?

Hey Eike, I know you!

Do you remember "PREDATOR"?

 

[moose209]

I was lucky enough to sit in on a mixing session with Colin on a recent project and to be honest he hardly touched the tracks - that i saw anyway. The set up was

prs > 2x 81's

maxon 808od

diezel vh4 > mesa standard sm57 straight on slightly off centre

at the same time doubling with

5150 > mesa standard sm57 as above

API pre into pro tools

At mixing all that was done was a little compression and a very narrow notch at 130ish - 18db max (massenberg plug in) that was now - back in the day with machinehead and fear factory I don't know. But the lesson I learnt was get in fucking right first otherwise it'll never be right later. And I guess that comes from experience. Although the eq'ing at 130ish is a great help and combined with a bit of band specific compression really opens up the guitars and allows to push em right up without masking the bass and drum fundamentals.

A thing that shocked me was how dry everything was - yet how polished and in a specific space it all sounded - again a master at work is a great ting to see.

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Same with Andy I guess, I saw him working on guitar tracks just by adding a very little (-3db or so) narrow cut in the highs (to get rid of some fizz I guess) and that's all, not even C4...

 

[Ermz]

The local studio owner that took me in for several sessions is favoring the 'track it right' approach too. He does barely any processing during mixing, simply because he usually doesn't have to.

Makes you wonder how much these many hours spent mixing to polish turds is actually an uphill battle.

 

[eikefreese]

Hailz everybody,
thx for ya replies

I didnt expect to be known here,(and with Dark Age)
big cheers to everyone


and: Niels, of course i remember you :Smokin:
a pitty with predator
stiill doing music?
nice to see you here !!!!

thx for all replies, but I dont think andy and colin leave the guitars
that dry-
I defintely hear something that sounds a little conpressed, expanded or limited in certain way, maybe its that dolby expanding thing.

cool forum,

up the horns

eike

 

[Niels]

and: Niels, of course i remember you :Smokin:
a pitty with predator
stiill doing music?
nice to see you here !!!!

Pity is not necessary! The Band still exists!

To the guitar sound:

Maybe it would be helpful, if you refer to a certain recording? Then it would be easier to understand what you "hear"!

Cheers

 

[cobhc]

The title says it all:

I`m thrilled by the way their guitars sound.
As I am using a 5150 and my new weapon, the Framus Cobra I must say
that something is still missing.
Guys, your guitars sound awesome,
what is it that makes sound like the picks are glued to the strings?
Is it the C4?
Or that dolby thing?
I know all about the techniques (2x SM 57, Marshall Cab etc.), but my guitars
just wont sound as "sticky",
here is a sample of my work:

http://media.putfile.com/Negatordie-eherne-Replik

please delete after listening

my studios place:

www.eikey-studio.com

cheers everybody

dude i really like that song, but i think the drums are a bit too loud.

 

[eikefreese]

Pity is not necessary! The Band still exists!

To the guitar sound:

Maybe it would be helpful, if you refer to a certain recording? Then it would be easier to understand what you "hear"!

Cheers

well, very difficult to describe:

If you listen to the Bullet for my valentine record or the Roadrunner stuff, I hear something that sounds close to the vintagewarmer:
It sounds like the guitars get their own grip...
really damn hard to describe:listen closely and try to hear in parts where the guitars play on their own (hit the floor, for example).
sounds like these guitars are just about to explode, a lot of energy seems to be bound behind something.
Andy, am I on the right direction:Smokin: ??

 

[eikefreese]

dude i really like that song, but i think the drums are a bit too loud.

well, its a drummers record

 

[Nitronium Blood]

I saw him working on guitar tracks...

You have met Andy?

 

[eikefreese]

what mic pre are you using?

mostly the pres in my sony dmx desk.