Crust Mixing Challenge?

SirKnucklesmd

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Feb 11, 2011
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Well here I am, another endless night fine tuning and tweeking mixes for my personal music projects... I decide to take a break before I kill myself to spare me from this monotony. So to hopefully prevent myself from getting cabin fever in this little studio of mine I decided to pull up an old session from earlier this year with a friend of mine and successful tattoo shop owner. He rolled into my studio back in March with a fender squire P-Bass, a Marshall AVT-50 and a head full of ideas. Oh and not to forget his drummer who had what was equivalent to a closed shell muppet kit, but a pretty solid drummer. He's an older fellow originally from the New York area so he's into the older Crust/Goth/Punk/Noise scene... Now from a musical standpoint I can (sort of) get it... but from an engineering standpoint, recording noise felt like a sin. Purposely aligning waves to get bad phase, throwing a sans-amp on every channel and maxing out the drive knob.... THEN ADDING ANOTHER ONE!! Hey it's what he wanted. I didn't have any experience in that genre so I let him relay what he wanted (produce?) while I made it happen.

Anyways... He's had several projects over the years and this one was one of his more "commercial" projects, A combination of that dirty old school crust with southern rock... to be honest I actually somewhat dig it. That's why I chose to remix and master it with some new techniques i've picked up recently. Now I'm just wondering if there's anyone out there who would possibly want to try and tackle such a mess as well, just for the hell of it. The raw tracks are about as unintelligible as they get, solid state amps with $100 guitars and a closed shell kick with cracked symbals. These guys are old school... They actually complained and said the mix sounded too good! Make it more noisey!!!:erk:

Anyways here's what I landed upon for a final mix and master (after they had left me to do my work) and I think it would be very interesting to see what kind of finished product you other "know it alls" out there can come up with. The only rule is use what's in the stems only. No trigger samples. These guys didn't play to a click either (all at once) so editing might be a bit tricky. I'll upload the stems if I get enough people interested in giving it a shot.


 
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I listened to the soundcloud file in your original post and I couldn't hear anything that sounded noisy. It actually sounds quite "clean" as opposed to what I expected after your initial description. I totally understand why they said it sounded too clean!

I think I might wanna try to mix this too :D
 
Allright, here's the link for the folder containing the stems... Most are up, may take a few more minutes for the rest to upload. Everything should be in mono except OH and ROOM so pan as you wish. The vocals already have a HP at 100 and LP at 14k plus Rvox compression and fuzz already since that's the sound he's going for. Very little work needs to be done to those. There is a TON of bleed on the drum kit... this was a very low budget recording, I think all the gear that went into making and capturing these sounds was under $500 (just live room gear). No port on the kick, so it's going to suck. The drums probably have NEVER been tuned, and no dampers were used anywhere... remember they wanted RAW and NOISEY. So yea, here you go... make the best of it! NO CHEATING W/ OUTSIDE SAMPLES, WE'LL KNOW!!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s24qk9x5v4o3s22/N5_FlgqbBf
 
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https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2973685/Sonic Diarrhea.mp3

Fuck separation. :lol:
 
haha, Nice guys! I would never want to undercut myself but i'm sure he'd dig your takes on this mix before my "commercial" sounding product, hahaha fuck separation!
 
SirKnucklesmd: I think one very important thing for engineers is to understand what the sonic idea behind a band/song is and what the listener is supposed to feel. Sometimes you have to make a 15yo kid believe that he's in a tiny club that's packed with 40 people and the band is right in his face, amps turned up to 11, sweat is dripping from the ceiling and there is no PA, so he hears all these sounds reflecting from all sides without clear definition. Even though you really know all these great techniques for "perfect" recording.

Because in the end it's about the feeling the listener gets. That's one reason I first saturated every channel by putting Satson to "FAT" and gaining it into the red - and then on top of that I clipped every channel slightly with GClip. I even mixed into a clipped masterbus (like one would mix into a compressor) to get a sound that's like a very small vocal PA clipping. I used Nickelback's "Dark Horse" as reference to see what exactly I did NOT want to achieve, because when I was envisioning this pumped up aggressive kid at the concert, it needed to sound all fucked up.

I think my mix could even sound more fucked up, but I wanted to keep some semblance of distinction between instruments.
 
How the hell was this recorded? Where was the kick microphone placed?
 
How the hell was this recorded? Where was the kick microphone placed?

The mic was placed about 6 inches outside the shell behind 2 floor baffles since the drummers kick had no porthole and HAD to use every piece to his kit for "his sound". If you read the OP you'd quickly understand how much of a non-issue overall quality and sound capturing was. Many bands of this genre have been recorded with simply 2 OH mics in the past...