DE PROFUNDIS: long and detailed interview with singer Craig Land and bassist Arran Mc Sporran available on Spain's 'Pitchline-zine'!
Greetings to everybody in De Profundis. How are things running at London? What are the present plans for the band? I guess you will keep on presenting A Bleak Reflection live.
Arran: Things are great in London, although the weather is starting to move towards Winter now. We will keep presenting and promoting A Bleak Reflection, but we have already started writing new songs for the next album while looking for available tour slots. We are hoping to tour Europe in the new year and are touring India at the end of October 2010.
Craig: Greetings to you and your readers. Things are picking up after a quiet Summer and we are getting very busy, which is the way we like it.
The album was officially released on (please correct me if Im wrong) February 1st this year (awesome date by the way, its my birthday). What kind of opinions have you received not only you but also Kolony Records about this work? Do you think it is quite difficult stuff to understand for the typical listener of extreme metal that is not used to your sound?
Arran: Actually we have been pleasantly surprised by the critical acceptance of the album. We have got our own sound that is reminiscent of other styles, but is uniquely our own and to have the listeners really appreciate it, including some saying it is one of their favourite albums of 2010, has really meant a lot to us and proved that we are doing something that is that little bit different. Thats not to say, however, that everyone who has listened to it has enjoyed it or understood it, but I find all the best albums grow on you as you learn to appreciate their intricacies.
Its a long work when it comes to its length but it was recorded in only 2 months, June and July of 2009. How did the recording sessions go?
Craig: Actually, I think 2 months is a long time, but we didn't work on it solidly in that time. We recorded a lot at our own studio under the watchful eye of Fernando Pereira Lopes, who brought his mobile studio over from France. It was far more relaxed doing it this way as we didn't have to worry about spending too much time, and therefore money, as we paid for the recording and mastering ourselves. There was a moment of concern when Nick hurt his back near the end of recording the drum tracks at Panic Studios, but Arran stepped in and recorded most of his bass parts, until Nick was well enough to finish the drums. Mastering was done at Parlour Studios, and that was probably the most stressful period as we were all involved, and obviously all had our own ideas of how the finished article would sound. However, Fernando managed to please us all with his phenomenal effort, which is no small feat!
Arran: The recording went really well. The other guys had already written and rehearsed all the music before going into the studio so it was just a matter of playing it and getting it to sound tight. My parts, however, werent set in stone until I got into the studio because I had only joined the band a month before recording. So some parts I had written changed and some parts stayed, but generally it was a very productive environment to work in and I am very happy with how accepting the other guys were with letting me do my own thing.
I don't know if you are fully informed of the feedback and reviews that Kolony Records has received, but I read one that called my attention stating that the bass sound distorts during the album (source: http://www.friedhof-magazine.com/criticas_detalle.php?id=2488 A not very clean voice and a bass that distorts in many points break the equilibrium reached by the rest of the instruments). Did you feel any frustration at this kind of press reaction from people who can't process your sound and characteristics?
Arran: Actually I was expecting more of this! For the album I had a very individual bass sound in which I was trying to create a combination of the fretless bass and the Indian tambura (a droning instrument). My long notes had that fretless mwah sound with an extra buzz that was reminiscent of the tambura it was all in the way I have my bass set up. I had not heard a sound like that before on records, so I knew some people might be confused and potentially not like it! Its not actually distorting though and neither are the vocals, so it is somewhat frustrating that someone who may not have heard of us, and is reading the review, may disregard the album as having a sub-standard production.
Craig: Perhaps there is something lost in translation, but this is the first time we've come across that criticism. In fact, we have had nothing but praise for the production on the album.
What is the main source or reason that makes the music of De Profundis so rich, varied and even original? Great leads, blast-beats, heavy and dark riffs in a classic Doom style, cello arrangements, progressive parts or influences from other styles...
Craig: We all listen to a vast array of different music styles which influences the way we think about music, which ultimately influences the way we write. We could play play any style of music we like, but we all love Metal and that is what we want to play. I think Metal is the most diverse style of music out there because it can encompass so many other styles yet still be Metal. It gives us the freedom to really cut looseand write what we want to without bothering too much about the rules. After all, Metal is all about rebellion - breaking the rules.
There is one track that outstands from the others, the instrumental Longing. Why did you write a song so different from the others? The beginning displays a strong bossa-nova, jazz-fussion, etc influence. What are your thoughts on this track?
Craig: That has been the most controversial track among critics, which we knew would be the case. Those who get it, have given it particular praise, and even though it's an instrumental, it is my favourite song on the album. I really enjoy bossa-nova, and we all enjoy jazz / fusion to varying degrees. We also admire bands like Cynic, Atheist, Pestilence etc who have experimented with this type of sound before. I would love to develop that sound within the context of the De Profundis, but so far there's no trace of this style in any of the music we have written for the next album.
Arran: I wasnt there for the initial creation of this track, but managed to have a little bit of a say in its progression. I like how it builds and changes mood throughout the track, as if it were someone contemplating and collating their thoughts and opinions on a subject. The changes in mood and genre reflect someone going through positive and negative reactions in relation to their judgement of the subject. Personally I love how the breakdown in the middle section kicks back in with the drums and also enjoyed writing the bass/drum solo at the end of the track. Nick played a rhythmic drum solo and I composed a solo bar by bar to complement it. Im very happy with the way it turned out.
You know that style tags are more than necessary for the general public and the media such as us use them to guide the listener through the bands. As the promo sheet that Lorenzo sent us reads, you are tagged as a Black-Death-Doom-Prog-.Metal. What do you think of this?
Arran: I really understand the necessity for the media to use style tags as its one of the easiest ways for anyone reading a review/interview/cd label to instantly get an idea of what the band may be about. However, when a band combines these genres to try to build something of their own it can get very difficult to label them in one genre - when they belong in all and yet none of the said genres! We normally stick to extreme metal, which can be taken as extreme or as music of extremes combining elements from genres at extreme ends of the musical spectrum. We like to let the listener decide.
Craig: We don't want to pigeonhole De Profundis by claiming to adhere to the rules of any specific genre. We don't. We play Extreme Metal, and to me that embodies Death, Black and Doom Metal. There are elements of all these styles in our music, so it's a fair desription. If someone feels that description is too broad, they probably aren't open-minded enough to appreciate us anyway. If so, it's their loss.
There are two aspects in your biography that really call my attention. Your youth (Nick's, Arran's and Roman's in particular) and the different nationalities within the band (Russian, French, English and South African). It's not a common fact in a band. Maybe this makes the band richer?
Arran: I would agree with that. The different cultures and growing environments for all the different members has really given everyone their own voice within the band, which may not be present if we all grew up together listening to the same bands. All of us grew up listening to music the others may never have heard of. The age difference between some of us also makes for interesting metal conversations - as some of us grew up in the 80s, while others were born in that decade!
Craig: At least we have some British members now. Prior to Arran and Nick joining, we've had no British members, despite being based in the UK. I guess some people are shocked when they hear that Shoi and I are 10 years older than the rest, but we're pretty much on the same wavelength despite this. However, sometimes us old timers do have a laugh at the folly of youth! I think our different nationalities play an even smaller role because while there are obvious cultural differences, we are all metalheads, and metalheads are a culture unto their own, which doesn't recognise borders. We work really well together in a musical context, and are best of friends too.
I would like to ask this question to Arran McSporran. Why are some songs played on a conventional bass and other on a fretless one? Which are your criteria when choosing one or another? How many years have you needed to fully control the fretless?
Arran: All the songs on the album are played on my fretless bass, except for the instrumental Longing and a little tapped overdub with a wah pedal in Cold Is The Grave. I was originally intending to record some of the album on each instrument, but as I worked out parts for the songs I kept going back to the sound of my fretless. It just added an extra character to the songs, especially in the quieter sections where I could really use the subtleties of vibrato and slides to add an extra voice underneath everything else. I wanted it to sound like someone moaning sorrowfully.
It also cut through the guitars really well and allowed me to play parts that may not have been heard if I played on my fretted bass. I chose the fretted bass for the instrumental because I knew my fretless tone would perhaps overpower and detract from the guitars at the start of the song, so played the rest of the song on it too.
Id been playing and practicing on my fretless almost exclusively for about 3 years before I joined De Profundis. I had used and recorded exclusively on my fretless with another band before I joined however.
How would you describe your previous album Beyond Redemption?
Craig: My intention when I formed De Profundis was to play Doom. However, as we filled out the ranks, it became clear that Doom wasn't a natural style for us to play. Despite this, I persisted with my view that we should write a Doom album, so restricted the members from just cutting loose and really expressing themselves, which was a mistake we rectified with "A Bleak Reflection". "Beyond Redemption" is a Doom album but with hints at other elements, whereas "A Bleak Reflection" is a lot more open to exploration and all the better for it. Both albums are distinctly De Profundis though. It's good to have our own style, which I think is enhanced by our use of bass guitar. Our previous bassist played slap bass, which is quite unusual in Metal, and now we have Arran who mostly plays fretless.
Your promo sheet reads that you have been in France, Romania or even India. How did you get the gigs on these last two countries? How did the experience there go? Tell us how the Extreme Metal fans are over those places. What other countries have you played in?
Arran: Other countries include Portugal, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Poland and the Netherlands. Extreme metal fans are a little bit different in each country, but normally everyone is united under the banner of Metal for the night and just wants to have fun!
Craig: Actually, we are just about to return to India for a handful of dates. Following the last show we played there, we managed to secure a distribution deal for India with Sony, who have released both albums there. We must have made a good impression. We got those gigs like we get all of them. We have been managing ourselves, and put ourselves forward for most festivals and shows we conside would be good for us to play. We have managed to get a few festivals this way, and the Romanian show actually came from the collapse of a festival we were supposed to play out there. We managed to secure a club show at the last minute and decided to go out there and do it. It was surprisingly good considering it was such short notice and we played last on a Sunday evening, but there was still a decent crowd. Back to the Indian show, when we heard Iron Maiden was headlining, we decided to approach the organizers with our offer to play. They must have liked the promo pack we sent them! Perhaps the fact the Shoi is of Indian descent made us a bit of a novelty. We were blown away to get invited to play and it was generally an awesome experience. We were very well looked after in all regards, except on stage, where we struggled with very poor sound, poor equipment and stage crew who were clueless. We played to about 15 000 people, which is our biggest audience to date, but we didn't appreciate it at the time because we were so angry at not being able to play to the best of our ability. However, the crowd loved it and speaking to some of them afterwards, I was surprised at how knowledgeble they were. We're all very much looking forward to returning.
The album is 69 minutes long; you can't deny this length may look excessive to some listeners of A Bleak Reflection. What are your thoughts on this? Will your next work be so long as this one?
Arran: Im not particularly bothered by the length of the album as its an artistic expression and a reflection of where we are at this point in time. Perhaps were lucky that CD formats are limited to 80 minutes! Some people will listen all the way through, as it was intended, but Im sure some people will pick their favourite songs and listen to those on heavy rotation! Album length is irrelevant in a world of mp3s however, as those who want to listen to it all in order, will. And those who dont want to, wont! We havent written the whole of the new album yet, but weve evolved and seen what works live and what doesnt. I think I can safely say the next album will definitely get more people headbanging!
Craig: Some of my favourite albums have a long playing time, which I personally like because the artist can express themselves without the constraints of time. My favourite kind of music is music that takes me on a journey, and I believe that's what we do with all the songs we have written so far. In fact, it is one of our main goals with our own work. We struggle to say everything we want to in under 5 minutes, and it's not like we are writing pop singles, so the songs can be as long as we deem necessary. Having said that, the new songs we've written so far are around the 8 minute mark, which is down from our average of 10 minutes a song so far! In addition, the new material that we have written so far is a lot more intense than what we have done before, so another 70 minute long album would just wear the listener out. But it's still early in the songwriting process, so we won't rule anything out.
A Bleak Reflection, as well as your first work, is officially distributed by BMG Sony in India. Undoubtedly, a big success for a Metal band like yours. How did you get that license?
Craig: Yes, we were shocked when we got the offer. It came about following our performance at the Rock In India show. As I said earlier, we thought it was a disaster while we were on stage, but the problems probably made us play even better, and luckily we were very well rehearsed, so we were still tight despite not being able to hear each other. The crowd reaction was fantastic, and I heard that the whole show was broadcast of a music tv channel to about 7 million people in the region. Perhaps Sony were impressed with our performance, and the positive feedback, and decided to take a chance. India is a potentially huge market and we are thrilled to have our albums in almost every music shop in the country.
What is your opinion on Kolony Records (and their bands) and the work of Lorenzo and co.? I have yet to listen to their bands, but all of them have a great quality inside their respective styles, from the fantastic melodic/Sweadish Death metal of Be'lakor to the technique of Persefone, the exotic feel of Bilocate or the vynil re-edition of Mourning's first album.
Craig: Firstly, Lorenzo has excellent taste otherwise he wouldn't have signed us! Seriously though, Kolony have some fantastic bands on their roster. Despite their various styles, the bands share a common trait in that they all write technically proficient, progressive and melodic Metal, which makes Kolony distinctive. All the bands are top class. We have an extremely good relationship with Lorenzo, and regard him as a 6th member. Him and JP work very hard to do the best for all their bands. Lorenzo deserves great success as he's a decent, honest guy, which is rare in this business.
Any news for our readers? What are your earliest future plans? Will you ever release any EP or anything in vinyl format?
Arran: We have discussed vinyl and EP releases with Kolony, but nothing has been decided yet. Our current plans are to continue writing, play some gigs around the UK and fly for a small tour of India at the end of October! Then hopefully another European tour in early 2010.
That's all from Pitchline Zine. Cheers to everyone in the band, feel free to add anything you want to finish this interview.
Arran: Thanks for the questions and I hope to see your readers on the road soon! ..m/
Craig: Cheers.
[Interview done by Fekalot, The King Of The Underworld]
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Interview in Spanish:
http://www.pitchline-zine.com/interviews.item.php?id=000235