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FrostGiant
Mr. Pibb > Dr. Pepper
TheNewChupe
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i was totally amazed at the sounds you could get out of a mesa dual rectifier when i played around with one; most of the people who use them get the same "PHATT HEVVY" sound that is overused. it's actually a really versatile amp, but people just seem to keep using it for that same stupid sound.
FuSoYa
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avi
W3RK3R
I think it's a great, versatile amp too - it's just that 90% of people I hear using them turn the suck up way too high
TheNewChupe
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where do those people get the money to spend over $1000 on an amp like that? they aren't all getting paid by large record labels.
Fusoya: Yeah for sure. Your setup's strengths definitely come in the "unbearably loud noise floor from effect processor" category.
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YaYo
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Hmm, on number 3.... i'd say if a song is mixed well then it'll make up for poor recording. I've come to the conclusion that the original sounds used don't matter too much (to a degree of course), as long as thereafter the mixing is done well. I think you can ruin a good song by overproducing it and removing all dynamics or making it all sound exactly the same (or whatever), and i think you can do justice to a song with shitty equipment if you know what you're doing and can actually mix appropriately.FalseTodd said:
And in terms of mixing appropriately i think natural is better.. i want to listen to a cd and be able to imagine the people playing the instruments... something i can't do with Devin Townsend for example. In many cases i think people try to create unnatural sounds and effects that sound decent or ok (until you've heard them too much) where using a different instrument would've done a far better/nicer job for the ears. Of course getting people who can play all these other instruments isnt easy, hence while i'll have to program them for the moment, a less than ideal solution.
Yeh, natural sounds is definitely the way i'm looking towards though... one big pet peeve is doubled vocals (where they mix it so it sounds like one voice i mean, doubling between two people or harmonies are great), gives the vocals an interesting effect i guess but sounds completely unnatural and in my opinion absolutely thoroughly ruins some songs by removing all that human emotion from the singing.
FrostGiant
Mr. Pibb > Dr. Pepper
I disagree with your first part. The original recorded sounds are vastly important. I think that the whole "fix it in the mix" concept screws up a lot of recordings of low budget inde bands. If a lot of these bands would go into the studio with a solid understanding of their equipment and what tones fit together well (I know, that's what a producer's for but in you local one man studio, the experience or time isn't usually available) they wouldn't be so pissed with the final product. Too many times a poor sounding album is blamed on a poor mix when it is the orignal recorded tracks that are "unfixable" or simply won't mix.
YaYo
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True, the best option is to get sounds as good as possible from the start, and better initial sounds result in a better final product. But i guess what i was saying was that if someone didnt possibly have the right equipment, then if they know what they're doing then they can still accurately represent their song. A good song won't overcome terrible production, but a good song recorded by someone who knows their stuff can overcome lower quality recording equipment.FrostGiant said:
Or something.
Disclaimer: Any points missed within this thread are the fault of the pointer. I, the point observer, was unable to determine exactly what this 'point' was, so i went with my own..
Man I was just bitchin' about cliched crap on other music-related boards. No offense to you. Carry on wichyo bad self.
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
Too late, he struck a plea bargain with the help of The End, the terms of which involve making his private collection of recordings available to the public. 
We must free Dan Swanö from his so called 'fans' and labels who are making him believe he's a genius, whereas he's a mediocre producer and an average songwriter. Poor Dan Swanö, being lied to by so many people. FREE DAN SWANÖ!
azal
love is the answer
this is pretty much the hugest problem here in Serbia...there are tons of band here that are good enough to do stuff overseas and in Europe, but what's holding them back is....avi said:
1. lack of money for good gear.
2. producers who know what to do with bands that play heavy music.
mindspell
vvv Jake's ass vvv
about 1 and 2, not really realated but kind of: I hate a lot of guitar players because they spend huge amounts of time twiddling on their equipment finding "their sound" while it would be worthwhile just to practice. The settings never seems to be OK. Just set it and leave it alone.
Pretest's production was crap, amazingly inapropriate for the music.
Pretest's production was crap, amazingly inapropriate for the music.
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