Death metal Documentary

1. Which bands would you personally love to see in a death metal documetentary?
Morbid Angel,Members of Death,Nile,Decapitated,Opeth.

2. According to your personal tastes, is it OK for a death metal documentary to be filmed raw, or does it have to have Hollywood quality picture and sound?
Not to Raw and not to Hollywood

3. What kind of topics would you expect to be explored in a death metal documentary?
The first bands to play Death Metal and how it has progressed?

4. What would you hate to see in a death metal documentary?
False information

5. Do you think that a death metal documentary should be targeted for people who already know about death metal, or do you think that it should be made for the general public?
Both

6. Is it pointless to make a death metal documentary? What would make you go out and buy it?
No i dont think its pointless. What would make me buy it? hmm Interviews..Maybe bands getting interviewed together i think that would be interesting maybe its just me :)

7. If the price of the documentary is low, would that make you conider it a low-quality DVD that does not deserve your attention, or do prefer a low price? What is the perfect price for a 2-hour documentary?
Perfect price for me would be £8-£12.



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I would love to see a Black Metal one :D
 
Since you mentioned the black metal documentary, I'd like to see a section about NSBM without a biased approach. An interview with Rob Darken of Graveland would be nice. A few questions explaining the choices of the scene. Then possibly interview a band that is opposed to NSBM so as to hear both sides and not be labeled that dreaded term "racist" for including only one side. I'd just like to see this section of the scene explored without leaning heavily to either side (which is damn near impossible to find).

Then I guess the expected stuff.. covering Darkthrone, Mayhem, Burzum, Immortal, Emperor, etc.

Most of the death metal documentary questions already say what I would say. I'd just like to add that I would like to see an explaination of the growls. So many of my non-metal friends and generally anybody that isn't involved in the scene doesn't understand. Perhaps you could put it in a better perspective than I can for those people.
 
BillZebub said:
I am now considering making a black metal documentary as well as a doom documentary. If you are in a black metal or doom band, please Email me - masterzebub@aol.com

Also, let me know what you think would be important to feature in these tow other documentaries.
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Bill, please consider posting this over on the forums at www.doom-metal.com - it is by far the largest doom community on the net and some big names in the doom scene like My Dying Bride, Evoken, Morgion, Shape of Despair have official forums there to talk with the fans. Also members from a lot of other doom bands bands like Disembowelment and Sunn hang out there often etc.

If you want ideas and opinions for a Doom metal documentary then you would get a great response there.
 
1. Which bands would you personally love to see in a death metal documetentary?

A mix from the main styles of death metal, to highlight the diversity of the genre - something which many people outside the underground scene don't realise exists. So I'd show Obituary, Macabre, Cannibal Corpse, Mortician, Immolation and the like to cover 'brutal', Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, Withering Surface etc to cover 'melodic' and bands like Coprofago, Korum, Enter Chaos, Origin and the like for 'technical'.

2. According to your personal tastes, is it OK for a death metal documentary to be filmed raw, or does it have to have Hollywood quality picture and sound?

I'd like a mix... a professionally-presented effort would appeal more to people less au fait with the world of death metal, but probably wouldn't fit any live footage. However, raw interview/backstage footage may look a bit amateurish... so a mix between the two. As long as the sound quality's good!

3. What kind of topics would you expect to be explored in a death metal documentary?

The roots of death metal, how influences from other areas made the original vision of death metal more disparate and splintered it into the brutal, melodic and technical camps... perhaps an exploration on the influence of horror/gore movies on the lyrics and aesthetics of the band (bring in Killjoy from Necrophagia here, the guy's an encyclopeadia...)... some coverage of the fans too - what they get out of it, why they listen. I love the idea about following the older, successful metalheads - that's just the kind of perspective that normally doesn't get shown. Also, how about something on how censorship affects death metal bands' artwork and lyrics (see Desecration's general persecution by the Welsh authorities, Cannibal Corpse regularly releasing two, differently-packaged versions of each release, Carcass getting their artwork censored, etcetera)?

4. What would you hate to see in a death metal documentary?

An entire Mortician set (yawn)... but seriously... Jusr anything which meanders off the topic... I'm interested, as long as it relates to death metal. When it starts wandering off into a non-music related philosophical debate or starts bringing psychologists in to discuss the negative aspects of the lyrics, that's when I start thinking 'yeah, but when are Nile playing?'

5. Do you think that a death metal documentary should be targeted for people who already know about death metal, or do you think that it should be made for the general public?

The general public are a tough nut to crack where death metal is concerned... they generally already have a pre-conceived idea about death metal being nothing but noise with gory lyrics. But, there's always hope... as pretty much everyone else has said, a happy medium would be good here.

6. Is it pointless to make a death metal documentary? What would make you go out and buy it?

I'd buy it, if it was good. I don't think it's pointless - after all, books have been written about nu-metal and black metal, so why not have a DM documentary?

7. If the price of the documentary is low, would that make you conider it a low-quality DVD that does not deserve your attention, or do prefer a low price? What is the perfect price for a 2-hour documentary?

For a two hour documentary over here in the UK, I guess I'd expect to pay around £17. That, however, is for the inclusion of a fair bit of live footage/promo video material. Otherwise, about £13-£15.

Hope that helps... I wouldn't mind one of these advanced screenings myself, actually... could be something good for the Media Reviews section of this site...
 
dill_the_devil said:
I wouldn't mind one of these advanced screenings myself, actually... could be something good for the Media Reviews section of this site

Ok, Email me and I will send you a VHS screener - but it is in the NTSC format - it won't play on your PAL vcr. Hopefully you will have dual mode player.

I have to re-edit it for the European release (there will be more videos, and some video clips will be changed)

In the beginning, I was going to have a psychiatrist involved with the documentary, but I quickly decided that it was best to have the story of death metal told by death metal bands (not even a narrator).

I am not giving away any sort of ordering info or anthing like that because that is not the purpose of this thread - I really wanted to see what the opinions are about something like this and I am very impressed with the feedback.

The stuff that I have filmed so far was a total cooperation - which showed the brotherhood (and sisterhood) of the death metal scene. What I have is a bit raw, but some of the live footage is crystal clear in quality (and exclusive). However, there is a group of peers who formed a movie company based on this documentary idea, and they are going to try to get a $500,000+ budget (I'll believe it when I see it). Anyway, if such a budget gets awarded, the documentary will be super high quality, and I will have the freedom to interivew far more personalities. For now, though, it's a bit raw.

Hopefully you may be inspired to make your own documentaries... what I have done is far from the "definitive" story. There are also tons of different angles and subjects. Being that we are all free from the timid sensibilities of commercial films, we can each take very extreme approaches - after all, it's "Deaht metal FOR death metal" - let the outsiders drink the watered-down stuff.

Keep posting - I am serious when I say that your opinions help me. Your honesty may be rewarded with a free dvd
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as for bands i would say the bands that have had an undeniiable influence on DM (for example start with the 'roots of DM like Possessed, Celtic Frost, Slayer, etc.) then follow the evolution (Florida scene of Cannibal, Deicide, etc) to more modern bands (Cryptopsy, Nile) i think it would be cool as well to document bands like Cynic and Atheist and cover the swedish stuff (Entombed, Dismember, etc.) and to be unbiased i'd guess you'd have to unfortunately cover that gothenberg crap (in flames)

i think a mix of the unproffessional/professional would be good. i don't mind shitty quality live clips if they're only like 30 seconds or whatever.

issues: evolution, contreversy (Carcass artwork banned, bombthreats at Deicide gigs, MA getting their bus confiscated in Europe somewhere....), how DM fits in the greater scheme of things in extreme metal....

audience? the general public are too embedded in judeo christian mob mentality to comprehend death metal or anything requiring the least amount of thought so don't waste time or ressources trying to appeal to normal people.

as a student a low price would be nice :p and i think the whole concept is kinda cool
 
After all the responses I really don't have much to add..

1. Which bands would you personally love to see in a death metal documentary?
Death, Morbid Angel, Atheist, Cynic, Carcass, Nile, Cryptopsy, Martyr, Dismember, Grave, At The Gates, Carcass, Suffocation, Decapitated, Dark Tranquillity, Eucharist. Demigod and Demilich to please the true, hehe. Of course not all these are strictly death metal, but I think you should branch out into the different categories and not limit it to just the 'proper' death metal bands.

2. According to your personal tastes, is it OK for a death metal documentary to be filmed raw, or does it have to have Hollywood quality picture and sound?
As long as it doesn't look terrible and the sound quality is good, fine.

3. What kind of topics would you expect to be explored in a death metal documentary?
Different sections covering different styles of death metal and the history, such as the big influences and originators, the Swedish style in the early 90s and the whole Gothenburg sound later on, the American death metal style and the more brutal bands, some of the newer bands with a more accessible/commercial sound (commercial relatively, like some of the Gothenburg bands now). Not all serious though. Live footage, interviews, maybe a music video or two...

4. What would you hate to see in a death metal documentary?
Too much focus on the stereotypical image of death metal, the portrayal of death metal as it's not. Ignorant outside opinions on it.

5. Do you think that a death metal documentary should be targeted for people who already know about death metal, or do you think that it should be made for the general public?
I think it should be aimed for death metal fans, actually. Something death metal fans would enjoy and be satisfied with, not something trying to attract new fans.

6. Is it pointless to make a death metal documentary? What would make you go out and buy it?
I don't think it's pointless at all. I would go out and buy it if it looked half-decent and interesting.

7. If the price of the documentary is low, would that make you consider it a low-quality DVD that does not deserve your attention, or do prefer a low price? What is the perfect price for a 2-hour documentary?
I wouldn't be too bothered with the price as long as it was quite reasonable. Somewhere between £12-18 would be fine.
 
dill_the_devil said:
Also, how about something on how censorship affects death metal bands' artwork and lyrics (see Desecration's general persecution by the Welsh authorities, Cannibal Corpse regularly releasing two, differently-packaged versions of each release, Carcass getting their artwork censored, etcetera)?
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Definitly. This would be a kool area to have a focus on. When people outside the metal community do hear about metal in the media, it's generally concerning negative situations regarding censorship. It would be good to get an insight into this from the scenes perspective.
 
[QUOTE1. Which bands would you personally love to see in a death metal documentary?

I can't imagine a death metal documentary without Slayer. People might not like their current work, but they were far too important in the beggining to be left IMO. Other bands to consider would be Krisiun, Death, Morbid Angel, Nile.

2. According to your personal tastes, is it OK for a death metal documentary to be filmed raw, or does it have to have Hollywood quality picture and sound?

Raw is fine, but it doesn't mean you can completely forget about quality.

3. What kind of topics would you expect to be explored in a death metal documentary?

Its history, first bands, evolution of the bands, most important influences, different styles.

4. What would you hate to see in a death metal documentary?

A distorted vision of what Death Metal really is. Focusing on the actual aspects is important.

5. Do you think that a death metal documentary should be targeted for people who already know about death metal, or do you think that it should be made for the general public?

Death Metal fans as a primary target. If the documentary is well produced, it'll also help bringing new people into it.

6. Is it pointless to make a death metal documentary? What would make you go out and buy it?

No, it's not pointless. If it's focused on the important bands and show some history and evolution, it's worth it. I would certainly buy a decent documentary showing good bands, their opinions, their evolution and tendencies (like new bands).

7. If the price of the documentary is low, would that make you consider it a low-quality DVD that does not deserve your attention, or do prefer a low price? What is the perfect price for a 2-hour documentary?

The price is not always related to the quality of the production. I have bought several decent DVDs for bargain prices. It only makes it even better.
 
One person to focus on a little but that I think would add a lot to the whole thing would be Eric Rutan. Here's a guy that's pretty well established in the scene, from being in a legendary band like Morbid Angel, but, with, Hate Eternal, he's kinda starting all over again. Like I'd love to hear what he would have to say about doing a few stadium tours with Morbid Angel(Real Steel and Extreme Steel back in '01 with Pantera), and then going back to playing small clubs with Hate Eternal.



P.S. Is it too late to get on the list for one of those video screeners?:D
 
I almost had a heart attack today. The DVD place called me to tell me that the plant refused to do the job because of the Satanic content. But it turned out that it was just the printer (from Tennessee) who returned the films - so a new place had to be found to do the full color inserts. (The initial phone call was worded incorrectly - the "plant" was not the bully)

I had not chosen censorship as a topic for the death metal documentary, but I think that I will now incorporate it into the black metal documentary. I personally have had many problems with my magazine in the early days and I was only able to work with Jewish printers (and the strange thing about that is that, in addition to the Satanic images of the mag, there are plenty of racial jokes, including anti-Jewish jokes, but the Jewish printers don't take it upon themselves to approve or disapprove of the content).. For some reason, printers who are christian decide to impose their own beliefs - and I don't know how legal such a thing is. I mean, I can understand a printer refusing to print child porn (because it is super illegal), or certain things that can be considered obscene (apparently America can punish people for producing or distributing indecent or obscene content), but I cannot understand how a country that is supposedly into diversity can have such stupid attitudes completely block artistic efforts - unchallenged. I do now recall how many people I have had contact with have had problems not only with printers, but CD plants, et cetera. In fact, the DVD place warned me to declare Satanic content in my future DVD's so that they do not send the projects to certain plants that would refuse them. How the hell am I supposed to do a black metal documentary without Satanic content?

Perhaps I had been lulled into apathy about this topic because I had long ago found people to work with who were not part of the American Taliban. Now that I have faced this judgemental stupidity again I have become reminded that this is a problem to many in the metal community. So now I will include the topic in the black metal documentary. Please share with me any stories that you have that are related to this subject.

Is my memory correct when I recall history lessons from childhood - was America founded by the most backwards-thinking religious idiots of Europe? Weren't the American forefathers religious outcasts? Weren't their beliefs too stupid for Europe? Didn't they come to America to practice their distrurbing rites without being persecuted? If that truly is the history, then I am not at all surprised.
 
i'm sorry i have only a few minutes before i must go to my shit job again, but i had to say something. FUCK the man, FUCK the people, FUCK the system, without metal i would be nothing/have nothing. when will we begin to realize that METAL really is the law and everything else is just details ?
 
"DAMN THE MAN! SAVE THE EMPIRE!!"

Sorry, that last post just kinda reminded me of that:p


Anyway, Bill, I think that some(or all) of what you just posted would look great oin the back cover of the DVD or as some kind of text before the actual film.
 
1. Which bands would you personally love to see in a death metal documetentary?Death, Decapitated, Incantation, Suffocation, Morbid Angel.

2. According to your personal tastes, is it OK for a death metal documentary to be filmed raw, or does it have to have Hollywood quality picture and sound?
Either or, as long as it was good enough quality to hear the music.

3. What kind of topics would you expect to be explored in a death metal documentary?
The origin of death metal. Talk about the bands that paved the way and just gow the genre was created. Also talk about death vocals and how they are done. Alot of people who have heard my music think it is just deep screaming, but it's not.

4. What would you hate to see in a death metal documentary?
Nu-Metal

5. Do you think that a death metal documentary should be targeted for people who already know about death metal, or do you think that it should be made for the general public?
Targeted for people who already know about it, yet informative enough to explain it to a non-death metal listener.

6. Is it pointless to make a death metal documentary? What would make you go out and buy it?
Good live videos, interviews with bands, good sound quality, longer then 30-40 minutes, informative.

7. If the price of the documentary is low, would that make you conider it a low-quality DVD that does not deserve your attention, or do prefer a low price? What is the perfect price for a 2-hour documentary?
I would very much perfer the price to be low. 14.99 :devil:
 
I just got the DVD's in. Anyone who posted before this announcement can get a free one (no packaging - that's coming in May) This is still considered a pre-release until May. Please Email me your shipping address at masterzebub@aol.com

Again, thanks for your time

If you post your review of the documentary on here, please bear in mind that I want you to be honest - do not feel like you owe me a favor for sending you a DVD. Trust me, I can take a thrashing.
 
1. Which bands would you personally love to see in a death metal documetentary?

Vehemence, Behemoth, Decapitated, Impaled, Amon Amarth, Cryptopsy, Aborted, and Bloodbath (could just be a gathering of them speaking about their other bands, its cool)

2. According to your personal tastes, is it OK for a death metal documentary to be filmed raw, or does it have to have Hollywood quality picture and sound?

I think it deserves the Hollywood quality of treatment. But who will finance it?

3. What kind of topics would you expect to be explored in a death metal documentary?

Style
Intentions
Past Influnces
Lyrics
Musicianship

4. What would you hate to see in a death metal documentary?

Stupid Uneducated Questions

5. Do you think that a death metal documentary should be targeted for people who already know about death metal, or do you think that it should be made for the general public?

People that already know...but shown on MTV or something.

6. Is it pointless to make a death metal documentary? What would make you go out and buy it?

The band line up and packaging, mabey it can contain hang out footage with the band being interviewed/and live footage/a music cd...

7. If the price of the documentary is low, would that make you conider it a low-quality DVD that does not deserve your attention, or do prefer a low price? What is the perfect price for a 2-hour documentary?

Low Price- around $17 depending on packaging.
Ehh I know my answers were pretty basic..cause it probably wont be a reality.
 
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