death / trash mix in progress

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/punkrockacademyfightsong/construction 16-11-07.mp3

I've been recording a band called Mortal Form in the past few months, this week we did some vocal tracking. i thought I'd start off with the mixing to give the guys in the band an idea of what it's gonna sound like.

The song is not totally finished (1 guitar player still needs to do some solo's)
These are the things I'm struggling the most with:
-overheads sound pretty mono, they were recorded with XY setting (first and last time i did that!) now I've got them bussed through waves S-1 to widen the stereo image but it gives quite some anti phase
-the overall sound still sounds a bit muffled, like there's a blanket on it that needs to come off. This is the first time I'm using PSP vintage warmer in the mastering chain, perhaps I'm doing something wrong with it, perhaps I should just ditch it anyhow

also this project has been recorded in different studio's so I've been bouncing up and down between pro tools and adobe audition. I had to re-align some tracks, I guess because of pro tools' low latency monitoring (the tracks are recorded with latency but the playback is been given the same latency i guess?) does anyone know what the standard latency would be with a digi002? I'm guessing around 7ms right now (at least that's what it sounds like to me)

any suggestions are welcome!

Nico

 

[Seizure.]

Snare sounds cool! guitars maybe a bit to middy to my liking but works in the mix.

Tried X/Y myself sometime ago too, and i found out the same thing when it came to mixing, it just doesn't work for metal.. you need the stereo image normal l/r micing brings!

Bass is sansamp or the orange ad200?

 

[Unavailable]

I would cut some boomy frequencies like 250Hz in those guitars.

 

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

thanks so far guys! i'll check out the guitars and try to get rid of some booming, at the moment there's hardly any eq on them, just a little notch around 3 kHz and a little scoop around 600 hz.
the bass is a Warwick with active EMG's trough a Sansamp used as overdrive (drive pretty high, blend pretty low) into a Hartke HA7000 powering a Hartke 410XL and a 115 transporter. I miced both cabs, the 410 with a D112 and the 115 with a 906.
for the snare I blended in a sample i made myself because he hits like a pussy (no rimshots) and i wanted it to sound agressive and bite through, so i sampled a fucking loud rimshot, eq-ed the hell out of it so there was absolutely no tone from the snare left, just the low end impact and the high transients, and blended that it, seems to do the trick

anyone else suggestions?

 

[Waterboy]

I think that it has a raw sound to it ... which I dig, BTW.
Thanks for sharing with us.

 

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

just did a few adjustments, here's the new mix:
http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/punkrockacademyfightsong/construction 20-11-07.mp3

things i changed:
-brought up the accoustic kick a bit
-brought down the snare a hair
-ditched the vintage warmer on guitarbus and masterbus and replaced them for Rcomp + Antares tube
-got rid of some 220 Hz on the guitarbus
-boosted a bit less 600 Hz on the bass DI track
-Switched the mastering limiter from MPL-pro to L2 (I thought the MPL would eat the L2 by far but for some reason L2 seems to sound better on this...) not that it's a big difference but it does seem a bit more transparent

 

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

had another listen on a different pair of monitors in a studio where i was yesterday and i have to say: the low end needs some looking into, it seems to be distorting, guess I'll have to take another look at the mastering chain. also the snaredrums need some more editing into place on the dubblebass parts, working on that right now!

 

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

allright, here's the latest version:

http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/punkrockacademyfightsong/construction 20-11-07.mp3

-changed the guitar and bass eq slightly
-more edits on snaredrums
-switched back to MPL-pro instead of L2
-rolled of everything under 40 Hz on the masterbus by 15 db's
-pulled out 0,5 db's of 73 Hz on the masterbus
-set the thresholds a bit lower on the C4 on the masterbus

sounds a lot cleaner to my ears now. any comments?

edit: oh yeah, I automated some tom volumes
another edit: just noticed that some of the distortion is caused by adobes dithering (or non dithering) in MP3 conversion from 48 kHz to 44,1 new version is being uploaded now!