Drum Module Samples
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Jaymz
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HDWR
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SocialNumb
Damn Christians!
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
I don't wanna be a killjoy, but I'm not sure how legal this is 
they're available legally for little money:
http://alesisd4.com/
sorry lads...but I'll have to close this htread soon....well, doing that might take some time since I'm busy atm......so don't be mad when this thread will be closed in lets say 2 hrs
they're available legally for little money:
http://alesisd4.com/
sorry lads...but I'll have to close this htread soon....well, doing that might take some time since I'm busy atm......so don't be mad when this thread will be closed in lets say 2 hrs
SocialNumb
Damn Christians!
I found this link full of assorted samples. I don't know where they came from or the legality of them.
http://www.darkbeats.com/sampleswap/
http://www.darkbeats.com/sampleswap/
egan.
daylightdies.com
Honestly I don't see anything that makes the product in that link any more legal or official than the link in the thread....they are just charging $. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
hm, maybe you're right...fuck them then
but what is the situation here, is it legal or not to post samples like this if you've recorded them yourselves?
I'm the last one to complain if it is legal.....if it could get anyone in trouble with alesis I would have to delete the link though.....
so I hope this will be alright....please inform me if it's not
colynomial
Member
^It's a tough question but I think it might actually be totally legal to do this.
After all, if I were to record a TV show onto a VHS tape, copy the tape, then give you the copy for free, that would be fine (in the socialist welfare state of Canada at least). It's only an issue if I were to sell you the tape, then I'd be profiting from someone else's intellectual property (in the case of art/film/music/etc) and the physical property of the network who bought the rights to the show and aired it. In that sense the alesisd4.com site might be more in the wrong if they don't actual own the rights to sell the the samples...
Then again videos get removed all the time from Youtube because major networks claim copyright infringement. There's no legal action taken though so maybe they just have some kind of agreement with Youtube.
What if I recorded a drum loop off of a keyboard and gave you wav file to use for something? Or any sound from a keyboard for that matter- Would that be legal? Since I purchased the physical keyboard, I think it's all good. Same with the D4 module- the guy owns it, he can do whatever he wants with the stuff inside of it. Maybe he can even make a profit from it? Who knows...
Whether or not it's ethical is another question. But such is the nature of teh internetz... It's just too easy to move information around.
After all, if I were to record a TV show onto a VHS tape, copy the tape, then give you the copy for free, that would be fine (in the socialist welfare state of Canada at least
). It's only an issue if I were to sell you the tape, then I'd be profiting from someone else's intellectual property (in the case of art/film/music/etc) and the physical property of the network who bought the rights to the show and aired it. In that sense the alesisd4.com site might be more in the wrong if they don't actual own the rights to sell the the samples...Then again videos get removed all the time from Youtube because major networks claim copyright infringement. There's no legal action taken though so maybe they just have some kind of agreement with Youtube.
What if I recorded a drum loop off of a keyboard and gave you wav file to use for something? Or any sound from a keyboard for that matter- Would that be legal? Since I purchased the physical keyboard, I think it's all good. Same with the D4 module- the guy owns it, he can do whatever he wants with the stuff inside of it. Maybe he can even make a profit from it? Who knows...
Whether or not it's ethical is another question. But such is the nature of teh internetz... It's just too easy to move information around.
that sounds about right to me colin (that is your name right?!?!) I thought that someone had posted d4 samples on the sneap forum a year or two a go (maybe longer, who knows) and they were removed due to copyright infringements :S
Oh well, I dl`ed the samples, and have no remorse, because I own a D5, and Im a bit pissed to discover the d4 samples sound ALOT better!
Oh well, I dl`ed the samples, and have no remorse, because I own a D5, and Im a bit pissed to discover the d4 samples sound ALOT better!
colynomial
Member
Yep I'm a Colin.
I haven't actually checked out the samples yet but I've heard a lot of people say that the D4 samples are much better too. My drummer has the D5 module and it's not bad for live triggering but I'm not sure how good those samples would sound on a recording.
After all this talk about D4, I'm thinking I might try ripping the GM MIDI drum samples from this old Creative Soundblaster Live! soundcard I have just to see how they are for blending haha. You never know...
Thanks to the OP by the way for the samples!
I haven't actually checked out the samples yet but I've heard a lot of people say that the D4 samples are much better too. My drummer has the D5 module and it's not bad for live triggering but I'm not sure how good those samples would sound on a recording.
After all this talk about D4, I'm thinking I might try ripping the GM MIDI drum samples from this old Creative Soundblaster Live! soundcard I have just to see how they are for blending haha. You never know...
Thanks to the OP by the way for the samples!
slashvanyoung
Dopefish lives!
Alesis owns the copyright to the samples. It's definitely NOT legal to share them over the internet.
Look at the trigger module as a container medium for recorded sounds - in that way it's not different from a CD. While you're legally allowed to receive a copy of a CD from a close friend or relative (if he/she purchased it legally), it is not allowed to download that same CD illegally from the internet, as this would be "an obviously illegal source".
In the same manner you'd be allowed to receive a copy of the samples on the module if you'd be getting the copy directly from a close friend/relative.
Getting these samples off the internet is definitely NOT legal if you don't get a permission from Alesis straight.
Look at the trigger module as a container medium for recorded sounds - in that way it's not different from a CD. While you're legally allowed to receive a copy of a CD from a close friend or relative (if he/she purchased it legally), it is not allowed to download that same CD illegally from the internet, as this would be "an obviously illegal source".
In the same manner you'd be allowed to receive a copy of the samples on the module if you'd be getting the copy directly from a close friend/relative.
Getting these samples off the internet is definitely NOT legal if you don't get a permission from Alesis straight.
Skaldir
formerly known as Unicorn
I have the Alesis D4 and don't understand how anybody wants to have the samples for mixing in the year 2009, other than for nostalgic reasons
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
I have the Alesis D4 and don't understand how anybody wants to have the samples for mixing in the year 2009, other than for nostalgic reasons
cause there are three of the best snaresamples ever on there!
slashvanyoung
Dopefish lives!
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TBH I wasn't 100% on the legality of this.
That is why I didn't name the module.
I Have seen sites (not the manufacturer) selling these drum module samples online so I thought why not help the sneapsters since they are sampled through a great recording chain.
Link is now deleted and feel free to delete the thread (please).
That is why I didn't name the module.
I Have seen sites (not the manufacturer) selling these drum module samples online so I thought why not help the sneapsters since they are sampled through a great recording chain.
Link is now deleted and feel free to delete the thread (please).
Notuern
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Well, if the module is commonly sampled, its very hard to say "this is illegal".
Its like the world renowned "Amen Break", using the beat was a copyright infringement.. but a big sample company took the "Amen Break" and sold it in a sample library, then it was used on several recordings bought from that sample library.. and when the band realized that their "beat" was stolen, they couldn't do anything because it had essentially turned into public domain.
So the line is still very fuzzy here.. since there are companies selling the samples without co-operation with Alesis, this would probably mean that allot of people have bought the samples "illegally", which in similarity to the "Amen Break", might have turned them in to public domain.
Its like the world renowned "Amen Break", using the beat was a copyright infringement.. but a big sample company took the "Amen Break" and sold it in a sample library, then it was used on several recordings bought from that sample library.. and when the band realized that their "beat" was stolen, they couldn't do anything because it had essentially turned into public domain.
So the line is still very fuzzy here.. since there are companies selling the samples without co-operation with Alesis, this would probably mean that allot of people have bought the samples "illegally", which in similarity to the "Amen Break", might have turned them in to public domain.
slashvanyoung
Dopefish lives!
I know what you're saying, but it's not quite comparable.
By the time sampling of copyright protected material has been made illegal, the "Amen Break" had already been used on thousands upon thousands of records because many decades had passed and retroactive claims are not viable.
You cannot claim that these drum module samples are public domain for the same reasons you cannot claim that Slate samples are public domain even though they've appeared on thousands of records themselves.
