ENGL SPECIAL EDITION E670 EL34 amp head, what can you say about this monster?
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poidaobi
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I have one- bought from Derek at RockSolidAmps.com in '05, and I've used it on pretty much everything we've done since, as well as on many of my studio clients' records, since it has so many different settings in terms of gain, clarity, attack and so forth. A good example of how I get it to sound (hi-gain) is here:
http://www.myspace.com/destrophy
(first 2 tracks and last track)
or the streaming music at the top of the page on:
http://www.destrophy.com
The track, "Born Again", on that page has the guitar 'alone' at the beginning- just one track, using channel 3 (of 4). Definitely ask any questions- I'm so happy to be able to offer some knowledge since I regularly glean from this forum all the time!
Ari
http://www.myspace.com/destrophy
(first 2 tracks and last track)
or the streaming music at the top of the page on:
http://www.destrophy.com
The track, "Born Again", on that page has the guitar 'alone' at the beginning- just one track, using channel 3 (of 4). Definitely ask any questions- I'm so happy to be able to offer some knowledge since I regularly glean from this forum all the time!
Ari
Thank you!
Now what i think is if i get such a monster how do i play with it, if i have a small rehearsing place, where we don't use micing as it's enough sound from our combo amps... High volume from high gain amp wouldn't let us to hear drums and other instruments....
Question, is it possible to use the speaker of my combo with the amp head? I mean that i won't use the amp of the combo, but use the cable to connect the head wih combo so head will be an amp and combo will just be a cab?
Now what i think is if i get such a monster how do i play with it, if i have a small rehearsing place, where we don't use micing as it's enough sound from our combo amps... High volume from high gain amp wouldn't let us to hear drums and other instruments....
Question, is it possible to use the speaker of my combo with the amp head? I mean that i won't use the amp of the combo, but use the cable to connect the head wih combo so head will be an amp and combo will just be a cab?
Also, as i see, there's another version of this head with different tubes: ENGL SPECIAL EDITION E 670 - http://www.engl-amps.com/e670.html
The price is the same, what's the difference in tone when different tubes are used, or which one is better to buy?
The price is the same, what's the difference in tone when different tubes are used, or which one is better to buy?
MetalWorks
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What was the recording setup for the guitar tracks?
Sounds pretty sick.
Like your bands sound alot.
Thanks, MetalWorks
The setup was a Boss GT-5, just for noise suppression and a small bump in EQ at 1.5k before it hit the Engl, and then I used the Depth Boost, Modern, and channel 3. I use EMG 707's and unfortunately the clean channel gets overdriven very easily- but I also don't have to use very much gain on the amp (with the HiGain engaged). Only have it at 9 o'clock. Then through a 4x12 Marshall with V30's and a 57. On the next album release I might mess a bit with multiple amps and some reamping, but I have to admit, it's a lot easier to deal with one track, one pass, done! So we'll see if I have the patience...
Spycam- I have used the EL34s and I have also replaced them with BSTR EL34's- and I haven't noticed that much of a difference. Not enough of a difference to swear by them- I'll probably go back to the original EL34 Engl brand. I've heard that EL34s give you more mids overall, while 6L6's have more low bass and highs. My experience with a couple of different power amps seems to corroborate this. It's a very pricey amp- but it holds up well in the studio. I had an Uberschall in here and wasn't quite as enamored with the less focused attack- a bit fuzzier/fizzier. I have some tone samples comparing the two that I did from a year ago. I'll try and find them and post if I do
The setup was a Boss GT-5, just for noise suppression and a small bump in EQ at 1.5k before it hit the Engl, and then I used the Depth Boost, Modern, and channel 3. I use EMG 707's and unfortunately the clean channel gets overdriven very easily- but I also don't have to use very much gain on the amp (with the HiGain engaged). Only have it at 9 o'clock. Then through a 4x12 Marshall with V30's and a 57. On the next album release I might mess a bit with multiple amps and some reamping, but I have to admit, it's a lot easier to deal with one track, one pass, done! So we'll see if I have the patience...Spycam- I have used the EL34s and I have also replaced them with BSTR EL34's- and I haven't noticed that much of a difference. Not enough of a difference to swear by them- I'll probably go back to the original EL34 Engl brand. I've heard that EL34s give you more mids overall, while 6L6's have more low bass and highs. My experience with a couple of different power amps seems to corroborate this. It's a very pricey amp- but it holds up well in the studio. I had an Uberschall in here and wasn't quite as enamored with the less focused attack- a bit fuzzier/fizzier. I have some tone samples comparing the two that I did from a year ago. I'll try and find them and post if I do
Thank you,
now, since i don't have the possibility to testdrive the amp, how do i know if i need the standard version or the EL34 one?
now, since i don't have the possibility to testdrive
the amp, how do i know if i need the standard version or the EL34 one?
Ermz
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I recently bought the se 6l6 version and let me tell you it kicks major ass,i have tried the el34 version for several hours and it had more mid compared to the 6l6, but not as much agressive bite, besides the el34 has blue leds and the 6l6 has red leds.(red is more evil looking)
The el34 can take both el34 and 6l6 tubes so can the 6l6, but Engl recommend that you only use el34 tubes in the 6l6 version for short periods.
Both se amps are the best amps i have ever played, overall the only other amp that i think can compete tonewise is the Bogner ecstasy classic,
(i would like to state that i haven´t tried the Diezel Herbert or the Mesa boogie roadking yet) of course it depends on the situation and the player, sometimes a crappy solid state amp would be the best choise for the situation, but if i could only have one amp i would get the Engl se 6l6, which i also did
The el34 can take both el34 and 6l6 tubes so can the 6l6, but Engl recommend that you only use el34 tubes in the 6l6 version for short periods.
Both se amps are the best amps i have ever played, overall the only other amp that i think can compete tonewise is the Bogner ecstasy classic,
(i would like to state that i haven´t tried the Diezel Herbert or the Mesa boogie roadking yet) of course it depends on the situation and the player, sometimes a crappy solid state amp would be the best choise for the situation, but if i could only have one amp i would get the Engl se 6l6, which i also did
Ermz
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Is there any recordings that you've made with it, metalizer? I'm seriously looking at the SE 6l6 head over the Savage, even if just for the versatility...
How do you feel the Bogner ecstacy competes with it? Do they both have that signature fat sound? I love the looseness and fatness of the bogner on leads, but I wouldn't really trust it for metal rhythms.
How do you feel the Bogner ecstacy competes with it? Do they both have that signature fat sound? I love the looseness and fatness of the bogner on leads, but I wouldn't really trust it for metal rhythms.
metalizer
www.transparent-metal.com
I´m still working on getting a killer tone recording with it, i have only had it for a couple of weeks and it´s a really advanced amp with more voicing options than on any other amp i have tried.
But i´m already convinced that it is an awesome amp for recording, i´ll post some clips when i´m satisfied with the tone, after all this is the Andy Sneap forum, you just can´t post a half decent tone here, besides it´s my favorite amp and i want to do it justice.
I tested the el 34 version for several hours next to a Bogner ecstasy, a Bogner Uberschall, an Engl Invader, Madison Divinity,Randall v2,Rivera Knucklehead(these were the amps they had availeble at the local music store, and yes i know they are all cheaper than the e670 and the ecstasy)
At first all of them sounded really good , but after tweaking for an hour there were only the Engl e670 and the Ecstasy classic left in the competition, both have really fat and heavy rythm channels (the Engl have far more gain), beautyfully sounding clean channels and some of the best solo channels i have ever heard(in my opinion the Ecstasy had the best lead channel, but the again i´m more of a rythm player).
The Ecstasy was heavy as fuck and at the same time the tightest amp i have ever played, but it lacked a little gain for the style i like to play.
The E670 sounded just as good or maybe even alittle better for my way of playing, and it beats every other amp availeble when it comes to ekstre features and midi capabilitys(take a look at the rear, it even has an ekstre clean channel and a cabletester)Both amps have a very detailed thick distortion full of harmonics and after playing them for a while it´s quite obious that there´s no going back to playing cheaper amps(in this price range you really get what you pay for)
some clips from Derek from rocksolodamps
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/rocksolidamps
Here are some samples from a guy on the Engl forum
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=406888
from rocksolidamps.com:
http://rocksolidamps.com/index.php?contain=description&ii=8&mid=2
But i´m already convinced that it is an awesome amp for recording, i´ll post some clips when i´m satisfied with the tone, after all this is the Andy Sneap forum, you just can´t post a half decent tone here, besides it´s my favorite amp and i want to do it justice.
I tested the el 34 version for several hours next to a Bogner ecstasy, a Bogner Uberschall, an Engl Invader, Madison Divinity,Randall v2,Rivera Knucklehead(these were the amps they had availeble at the local music store, and yes i know they are all cheaper than the e670 and the ecstasy)
At first all of them sounded really good , but after tweaking for an hour there were only the Engl e670 and the Ecstasy classic left in the competition, both have really fat and heavy rythm channels (the Engl have far more gain), beautyfully sounding clean channels and some of the best solo channels i have ever heard(in my opinion the Ecstasy had the best lead channel, but the again i´m more of a rythm player).
The Ecstasy was heavy as fuck and at the same time the tightest amp i have ever played, but it lacked a little gain for the style i like to play.
The E670 sounded just as good or maybe even alittle better for my way of playing, and it beats every other amp availeble when it comes to ekstre features and midi capabilitys(take a look at the rear, it even has an ekstre clean channel and a cabletester)Both amps have a very detailed thick distortion full of harmonics and after playing them for a while it´s quite obious that there´s no going back to playing cheaper amps(in this price range you really get what you pay for)
some clips from Derek from rocksolodamps
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/rocksolidamps
Here are some samples from a guy on the Engl forum
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=406888
from rocksolidamps.com:
http://rocksolidamps.com/index.php?contain=description&ii=8&mid=2
poidaobi
Held in Hollows
Ermz
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What's annoying is that none of the clips of the SE on any of those sites are all that impressive. The Savage's rhythm tone seems to crap all over it. If some clips get posted that start to rival Goddamn Guitar's offerings then I think it'll really be impressive...
It's nice that the SE is versatile, and a world of tone in one amp... but really, I want the BEST sound.. not a jack of all trades, master of none type deal.
What's odd is that I never thought of the Bogner Ecstacy as a metal amp. It never sounded good through the Soldano 4x12 we tried it with... it actually came out better through a vintage Bogner 2x12. The sounds all seemed very loose but damnnnn they were fatttt.
Who knows, maybe I'll get a Savage (rhythms), Ecstacy (leads) and something like a Laney VC30 for cleans.
Cheers for detailing your experiences with the amp though, metalizer. Really appreciate it.
It's nice that the SE is versatile, and a world of tone in one amp... but really, I want the BEST sound.. not a jack of all trades, master of none type deal.
What's odd is that I never thought of the Bogner Ecstacy as a metal amp. It never sounded good through the Soldano 4x12 we tried it with... it actually came out better through a vintage Bogner 2x12. The sounds all seemed very loose but damnnnn they were fatttt.
Who knows, maybe I'll get a Savage (rhythms), Ecstacy (leads) and something like a Laney VC30 for cleans.
Cheers for detailing your experiences with the amp though, metalizer. Really appreciate it.
metalizer
www.transparent-metal.com
The Ecstasy suprised me to, i thought it was a hard rock type of amp, but i would definitely give it thumps up for metal, did you use the Dual assignable Excursion switches for loose, medium and tight feel? the tight position works like a very tight noisegate.
(Btw. i use a 7 string with Emg 81 pickups so of course that makes everthing sound more aggressive than most passive pickups would and i also only tried it with two different Bogner cabbinets, so i don´t know how it sounds on other cabbinets. Bogner cabbinets are the tightest shit i ever played through, but they are to expensive in Europe.
Believe me the Se sounds better than the Savage 120, the other guy in my band used to have a savage 120, to me the Se sounds like a mix between the savage and a powerball, but it has a more 3 dimentional sound.
I´m pretty sure that if you heard both amps in the same room with same cabbinets, you would pick the Se, but you really have to try them in person.
The Se also has build in midi, you´ll have to get a seperate interface for the savage 120.
The new Dimmu borgir is a mix of the se and a savage 120, and that album has awesome tone, you could email mr.Nordstrom and ask him how they are panned.
If you want an amp where it only takes a few minutes to dial it in then get an Bogner Uberschall, the Se takes much longer time to dial in than most amps does.
(Btw. i use a 7 string with Emg 81 pickups so of course that makes everthing sound more aggressive than most passive pickups would and i also only tried it with two different Bogner cabbinets, so i don´t know how it sounds on other cabbinets. Bogner cabbinets are the tightest shit i ever played through, but they are to expensive in Europe.
Believe me the Se sounds better than the Savage 120, the other guy in my band used to have a savage 120, to me the Se sounds like a mix between the savage and a powerball, but it has a more 3 dimentional sound.
I´m pretty sure that if you heard both amps in the same room with same cabbinets, you would pick the Se, but you really have to try them in person.
The Se also has build in midi, you´ll have to get a seperate interface for the savage 120.
The new Dimmu borgir is a mix of the se and a savage 120, and that album has awesome tone, you could email mr.Nordstrom and ask him how they are panned.
If you want an amp where it only takes a few minutes to dial it in then get an Bogner Uberschall, the Se takes much longer time to dial in than most amps does.
metalizer
www.transparent-metal.com
Check out the clip from this german dude, his amp settings on channel three and four are almost identical to the settings i use at the moment, all his eq settings are set between 9 o´clock and 10 o clock mine are set to about eleven o´clock, his presence is set about one o´clock mine are about 10 o´clock it sounds pretty good to me.
http://homerecording.de/modules/new...&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=0
http://homerecording.de/modules/new...&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=0
Ermz
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Hey thanks for that man!
The clip still doesn't do it for me though. I think I may have to go back to looking for a Savage.
To me it sounds like on that clip it's trying to sound like a 5150, but it just can't get that sweet saturation and fatness to the tone. If there were any in the country, I'd try one... but I may have to write them off the list.
The clip still doesn't do it for me though. I think I may have to go back to looking for a Savage.
To me it sounds like on that clip it's trying to sound like a 5150, but it just can't get that sweet saturation and fatness to the tone. If there were any in the country, I'd try one... but I may have to write them off the list.
metalizer
www.transparent-metal.com
Dude this amp has more low end and gain than you could ever need, i agree that his clip sounds a little bright, but i suits the music great, i personally use more bass and if you want even more fatness in the sound i would suggest using the dept boost or the mega low punch buttons.
check out this clip from Dereks site it has far more fatness
http://www.mv2media5.com/process_stream.php?id=8155
check out this clip from Dereks site it has far more fatness
http://www.mv2media5.com/process_stream.php?id=8155
Ermz
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Thanks a lot for going through all the trouble to show me these clips! However, I have to say I'm still not impressed. The Savage is still the only ENGL amp that's really made me 'woah'. Maybe if some clips of the SE come up of a caliber like that of Goddamn Guitar's clips then I can start considering it... but for so much money, I'd hope for the thing to satisfy all my tone needs and wipe my arse on top, if you know what I mean.
Thanks again though.
Thanks again though.
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