Fallen Warriors

[KILL TULLY]

I'd like to start a thread to remember the fallen while I am over here.


Three Marines where killed yesterday on a convoy. Have a beer for them and hope they have a good seat in Valhalla.

 

[General Zod]

Are you over there now? If so, stay safe brother.

Zod

 

[KILL TULLY]

Yea, been over here a month or so.

 

[General Zod]

Yea, been over here a month or so.

Wow. How is it going? Is it much different than what you expected? Or were you prepared for what it is?

Stay safe.

Zod

 

[lurch70]

the Tullmeister is in Afghanistan if I remember correctly on some recon mission ... balls out

 

[Tide In Mind Out]

I was just thinking about you yesterday, Tully. Glad to see you're still kickin. Let it stay that way.

 

[wildfyr]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/18/afghanistan.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

 

[dorian gray]

We should probably also start a thread for the tens of thousands of civilians that have died or been misplaced because of our "war on terror"

 

[Hell Mike]

We should probably also start a thread for the tens of thousands of civilians that have died or been misplaced because of our "war on terror"

in their own back yards no less

 

[M.Lehto]

Fallen warriors? How about fallen puppets instread?

Terrorists have been around basically forever, as long as there has been wars. This current "war" has been a puppet for Bush, not for US. Just check the economy, how the price of Gold has fucked you over or the current price of oil.

EDIT - Ok, took some of this away...

 

[Johanna]

I really doubt Kill Tully will say "HEY Letho, you are right, I'm leaving the army right now".

 

[M.Lehto]

EDIT - Ah, I don't want to ruint this thread, so nevermind...I'll keep my ideals to myself.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

Kick some ass, Tully!

 

[General Zod]

Mike...

I think you're being unnecessarily rough on Tully. All Tully was asking for is that we remember the fallen. I hardly think that's too much to ask.

Save your disdain for our current administration, and the corporations profitting from this bloodshed (the blood of American soldiers & innocent Iraqi civilains), not the folks trying to make it back home safely.

Zod

 

[skeptik]

Well I certainly think that at least the issue that dorian and Hell Mike brought up is of utmost importance, namely the true victims of this whole ordeal. We honor every one of our soldiers that have died doing something they volunteered to do, yet many can't be fucked to care about innocent civilians who just so happened to have been born in Iraq of Afghanistan and are thus subject to the line of fire that they are experiencing now, in large part thanks to the US' own military exploits there. I think it's just as important that we respect and honor these people as it is that we respect and honor our troops. I don't mean to imply with this post that you disagree with me, I'm just laying it out.

 

[General Zod]

Well I certainly think that at least the issue that dorian and Hell Mike brought up is of utmost importance, namely the true victims of this whole ordeal. We honor every one of our soldiers that have died doing something they volunteered to do, yet many can't be fucked to care about innocent civilians who just so happened to have been born in Iraq of Afghanistan and are thus subject to the line of fire that they are experiencing now, in large part thanks to the US' own military exploits there. I think it's just as important that we respect and honor these people as it is that we respect and honor our troops. I don't mean to imply with this post that you disagree with me, I'm just laying it out.

Not sure if this post was directed at me. Not sure why it would be, as I referenced the innocent Iraqis in my post.

That said, just because we have an all volunteer military, don't assume that these folks had other options. Our military isn't made up of the wealthy and the affluent, who turned down Harvard scholarships because they wanted to spread democracy at gunpoint. I'm sure most of these kids signed up for the G.I. bill so they could afford to go to school. Which isn't to say that the possibility of ending up in Iraq isn't a risk they willfully accepted. It's just to say that I'm guessing a large percentage of the folks there now, probably wouldn't have signed up if they knew what they were in store for.

Zod

 

[skeptik]

I'm sure a lot of these folks joined up under the presupposition that Saddam Hussein was tied to Al-Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction too. I didn't mean to imply that all of the soldiers want to be there and that they agree with the war, but rather that they're simply there because of their own decision to sign up to the army.

Also, I guess my post wasn't really directed at anybody, I just wanted to touch on what was said earlier. Also, you edited your post while I was typing.

 

[dorian gray]

I didn't mean to imply that all of the soldiers want to be there and that they agree with the war, but rather that they're simply there because of their own decision to sign up to the army.

I feel the same way.

 

[General Zod]

I'm sure a lot of these folks joined up under the presupposition that Saddam Hussein was tied to Al-Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction too. I didn't mean to imply that all of the soldiers want to be there and that they agree with the war, but rather that they're simply there because of their own decision to sign up to the army.

At the heart of your post, you were suggesting that the Iraqi civilians are deserving of sympathy because they are a victim of their circumstances (which is completely true). I tend to suspect the same is true of many of the soldiers in Iraq. As I said, it's not the wealthy and affluent who enlist. And as I understand it, the majority of the folks over there aren't post-9/11 enlistees. If that was the case, we wouldn't have had to call up our entire Army Reserve and National Guard to send them over.

Also, I guess my post wasn't really directed at anybody, I just wanted to touch on what was said earlier. Also, you edited your post while I was typing.

Only because I misspelled "remember".

Don't get me wrong. I feel horrible for the innocent civilians in Iraq. So many of them were a victim of Saddam's tyrannous reign and now they're victims of our NeoCon policies and ineptitude. Given it's a country of only 26,000,000, when you add up the dead, the wounded, and the displaced, it's amazing just how badly we broke Iraq.

Zod

 

[KILL TULLY]

I understand what all you are saying and what you are saying is true. Feel free to start a thread for dead civilians, they do deserve to be remembered. I just want my friends and brothers to be remembered. It is A LOT different in person then on paper. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just think and maybe ask us questions before you judge me and others completely.