FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU- Bit rate problem

[Metaltastic]

Btw, just in case there was any doubt, there are no commercially available converters that record in 32-bit

 

[John_C]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. This quote just supports what I said about oversampling being used to aid/improve A/D conversion, it doesn't say "2x oversampling a 20-bit file will produce a 40-bit file," which was essentially your argument. Copy-pasting quotes from Wikipedia won't double the resolution of Chris Lord-Alge's tracks.

The quote above is stating that you can use a cheaper, lower resolution converter (20-bit) to produce a 24-bit file. That's fine. It's not actually adding resolution to the original signal, and it won't turn a 16-bit signal into a 32-bit signal. Oversampling means that the converters in the unit are multiplying the sample rate of the incoming signal, which raises the frequencies of any quantization noise caused by the conversion process, which allows the manufacturer to use anti-aliasing filters with a gentler slope, which reduces phase problems and improves conversion quality.

Here's a whitepaper by Dan Lavry about sampling/oversampling, check out page 4.

http://www.lavryengineering.com/white_papers/sample.pdf

Wow, somehow I don't think the is the direction the OP thought this thread would head.

To the O.P. - Do whatever you want. 16 bit is sufficient for achieving professional results, but 24 bit will offer an improvement.

This.

 

[xTomx]

Wow, somehow I don't think the is the direction the OP thought this thread would head.

To the O.P. - Do whatever you want. 16 bit is sufficient for achieving professional results, but 24 bit will offer an improvement.

I don't mind in the slightest, I learnt a little from the discussion!

And listening back on some proper monitors, I can hear the drummer from some hipster band in the room next door due to some shoddily built isolation booths so I'm re-doing it all anyway.

 

[AudioPhile777]

...split into DI (to be amp-sim'd later) then one mic on a head going into a 4x12.

Wait... I think this is going to be your main issue.

 

[abt]

Do it again. You will hear a difference eventually. The extra headroom could make all the difference.

 

[C_F_H_13]

Says who? Do you have any proof to back up your statement? When I googled, I read Much of Lord-Alge's gear appears to date from 15 years ago or more, and it's a sign of how fast technology is moving that one feels compelled to explain that the 3348 is a 48-track digital two-inch tape machine that was first introduced in 1989, and Lord-Alge has the original 16-bit/48kHz version. " The Sony PCM-3348 has 2X oversampling in both A/D and D/A, so he most likely works with 32bit.

yeah CLA does work at 16bit. Despite all those fancy videos of him using the new waves plugins in protools, all that shit gets printed at 16bit/48k to his sony. He prints everything you give him down to 44 tracks, plus 2 tracks for a ref mix, and the final 2 tracks are where he prints his final mix. So yes he does use 16bit.

 

[abt]

Well if you've got excellent converters, a super clean signal flow, great mics, track everything hot so it is almost clipping, then 16-bit is fine. For the rest of us 24-bit is a must.

 

[CatharsisStudios]

So what samplerate and bitrate does CLA track into

 

[HandsOfDespair]

Well if you've got excellent converters, a super clean signal flow, great mics, track everything hot so it is almost clipping, then 16-bit is fine. For the rest of us 24-bit is a must.

this

 

[BLUElightCory]

So what samplerate and bitrate does CLA track into

He's primarily a mix engineer these days (not actually tracking anything), but he receives sessions at whatever bit depth/sample rate they've been recorded at, and then he copies them onto a Sony 3348 machine at 16-bit / 48kHz to mix.

 

[CatharsisStudios]

He's primarily a mix engineer these days (not actually tracking anything), but he receives sessions at whatever bit depth/sample rate they've been recorded at, and then he copies them onto a Sony 3348 machine at 16-bit / 48kHz to mix.

word. well i ment what does he perfer to have 96,88.1 192, 44,48? or what?

 

[C_F_H_13]

word. well i ment what does he perfer to have 96,88.1 192, 44,48? or what?

I can't say anything about CLA, but I've had to make mix prints for people to send to TLA. He sends you this list of what is required, and it clearly stated:

" please send 24bit 44.1khz/48khz .wav files only". Now this was 4 years ago, so he may have changed his tune, but I think him and CLA both don't buy into the higher sample rates at all....just a theory.

 

[CatharsisStudios]

wow man thanks for the knowledge on that