For those of you wanting to reach Will, our favorite Seaman...
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Dead Winter
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If he's being sent home, he's probably in medical hold for psychological stuff. It's basically a dormitory for people who lied about not having asthma, tried to commit suicide, or have some other long-term health problems that can't be solved in a few weeks.
Will will probably get out on a medical discharge, which is neither honorable nor is it dishonorable or other-than-honorable. It's just a discharge stating that for some medical condition or some other mitigating factor, he could not complete recruit training and will be further barred from coming back. It shouldn't have very much effect if any on his life or work life, aside from not being able to do what he wanted to do in the Navy.
They'll probably not scream and yell at him because they look at him as an unstable person and they don't want to make it worse or cause undue harm. They'll still be strict and disciplined but as for completely tearing away your humanity like they're supposed to do, they shouldn't be doing that. He just couldn't hack it so they're sending him home.
It's not easy, no matter what service you're in. I was 18, first time away from home, in a place where I knew nobody, getting ready to become an instrument of war and quickly coming to the realization that this is serious fucking business and that all that shit they promised you comes second to you serving your country. Everyone breaks down and cries, everyone has a moment of weakness where they think they can't go on; it's up to the team to help each other out and get past it so you can accomplish what you're there to do. The first two weeks are utter hell, but you have to be of strong mind and character to pick yourself up and forge ahead.
It's not a slight on Will's part at all that he couldn't do it; some people just aren't cut out for the military. That's why basic training exists and that's why not everyone graduates. If I'm not mistaken, Will's probably confused right about now. On one hand, he's relieved that he'll get back to some sort of normalcy, but on the other hand, he's probably thinking that it wasn't so bad and if he could've just held on just a bit longer, he could've finished it and begun doing what he set out to do. There's going to be a LOT of second guessing and "what ifs" in the coming days/weeks/months for Will that will stay with him the rest of his life, but it's nothing to be ashamed about. We all have our limits. What he needs now is support to know that he's not a failure...he just has his limits.
Will will probably get out on a medical discharge, which is neither honorable nor is it dishonorable or other-than-honorable. It's just a discharge stating that for some medical condition or some other mitigating factor, he could not complete recruit training and will be further barred from coming back. It shouldn't have very much effect if any on his life or work life, aside from not being able to do what he wanted to do in the Navy.
They'll probably not scream and yell at him because they look at him as an unstable person and they don't want to make it worse or cause undue harm. They'll still be strict and disciplined but as for completely tearing away your humanity like they're supposed to do, they shouldn't be doing that. He just couldn't hack it so they're sending him home.
It's not easy, no matter what service you're in. I was 18, first time away from home, in a place where I knew nobody, getting ready to become an instrument of war and quickly coming to the realization that this is serious fucking business and that all that shit they promised you comes second to you serving your country. Everyone breaks down and cries, everyone has a moment of weakness where they think they can't go on; it's up to the team to help each other out and get past it so you can accomplish what you're there to do. The first two weeks are utter hell, but you have to be of strong mind and character to pick yourself up and forge ahead.
It's not a slight on Will's part at all that he couldn't do it; some people just aren't cut out for the military. That's why basic training exists and that's why not everyone graduates. If I'm not mistaken, Will's probably confused right about now. On one hand, he's relieved that he'll get back to some sort of normalcy, but on the other hand, he's probably thinking that it wasn't so bad and if he could've just held on just a bit longer, he could've finished it and begun doing what he set out to do. There's going to be a LOT of second guessing and "what ifs" in the coming days/weeks/months for Will that will stay with him the rest of his life, but it's nothing to be ashamed about. We all have our limits. What he needs now is support to know that he's not a failure...he just has his limits.
Yeah that's what I told him on Facebook. He tried, and it didn't work out. So what? That's what life is all about. Sometimes stuff works out, sometimes it doesn't. But whatever the outcome, it's a learning experience and helps you find who you really are.
Dead Winter
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Absolutely. I mean, the dude tried to join the MILITARY. He didn't apply for a job at the local grocery store...he tried to become part of the most powerful military in the history of the world and it just didn't work out. At least he can say, "I did my best, gave it everything I could and I just couldn't do it." It's a helluva lot more than some people do.
It could also be therapeutic. He now knows his limits and no matter what he does from now on, he can always say that it can't be as bad as his experience in basic training.
It could also be therapeutic. He now knows his limits and no matter what he does from now on, he can always say that it can't be as bad as his experience in basic training.
DreamNeonBlack
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I was hoping to get on here and inform everyone that he was coming back but Cara took care of that for me lol
I'm sure we will get the full scoop when he returns to Joizy in a few weeks. Regardless the outcome, he's certainly got bigger balls than I to even THINK about joining the military and I sure as fuck respect that.
See ya soon Bozzy.
I'm sure we will get the full scoop when he returns to Joizy in a few weeks. Regardless the outcome, he's certainly got bigger balls than I to even THINK about joining the military and I sure as fuck respect that.
See ya soon Bozzy.
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guitarguru777
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God this sucks in certain ways and its great in others. It sucks that he cant do this cause they want to be fucking retarded and make you a lifeless piece of shit that .... anyway
But its great that he will be safe from all the political bullshit.
Damnit Will, if you need anything dude call me. Sounds like its time for another trip to vegas for some R&R!
But its great that he will be safe from all the political bullshit.
Damnit Will, if you need anything dude call me. Sounds like its time for another trip to vegas for some R&R!
~Lynn~
Bah...
Dead Winter
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It's the military. If you want to be an individual, then maybe you should look towards Greenpeace or something. The military can't accept anyone who *almost* makes the cut. Either you make the grade or you don't. It's not anyone's fault...there's no blame to be passed here.
guitarguru777
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Dead Winter
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If you can't handle stress and follow orders, you can't be in the military. The military's job is to kill people...if you don't understand or like that, don't join the military. If you're looking to blame someone then blame the leaders who put them in that situation.
"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I shall obey the orders of the officers appointed above me..."
It's an oath. If you can't uphold that oath, then you should think of other career choices.
"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I shall obey the orders of the officers appointed above me..."
It's an oath. If you can't uphold that oath, then you should think of other career choices.
guitarguru777
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Ya cause the leaders know having anything with half a brain would just be to difficult for them when they have to kill Iraqi civilians and children so they can rule by force ..... god I love our government!
Dead Winter
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Yeah, me too. Now imagine being in the military in that situation, having to do things you believe are wrong. You have to put aside your personal opinion and do your duty and follow orders. You are not allowed to question LAWFUL orders...and this is where we're at now. There's a whole helluva lot of unlawful shit going on in Iraq, and that's what's really so difficult for the military members there. They want to know that what they are doing is right, but when they believe that it's wrong, that's the most difficult thing; having to do something you believe is wrong is much harder than overcoming the fear you have, which is one of the reasons I got out.
Shpongled
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Why anyone would want to involve themselves in that kind of drama and hostility in the first place, especially in defense of a fucking country like America, is utterly beyond me.
I'm not judging anybody, it just makes zero sense to me. I honestly think I'd rather give my life than fight for this country in any form.
I'm not judging anybody, it just makes zero sense to me. I honestly think I'd rather give my life than fight for this country in any form.
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guitarguru777
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Just to clarify...
I DO NOT blame our soldiers!
While I am sure there are some soldiers out there that love the thought of killing for the sake of killing. I know is is nowhere near the majority of our soldiers. I thank our soldiers from the bottom of my heart for the hard work and dedication they put into keeping my personal freedoms.
It just sucks that they have to be "the hand of the devil" in this case. they get the shit end of the stick cause some politician gets a hair up their ass to go back to a country we defeated before just to prove we are the big man on campus.
My G/F is a veteran of this war and I am proud of everything she did over there. Granted she wasn't out there fighting as she is a Surgery Technician, but some of the things she had to see and deal with just would kill anything left of my humanity. she has more strength then i could ever have in a situation like this.
i just want our boys and girls home safe with their families where they belong..... enough is enough already
I DO NOT blame our soldiers!
While I am sure there are some soldiers out there that love the thought of killing for the sake of killing. I know is is nowhere near the majority of our soldiers. I thank our soldiers from the bottom of my heart for the hard work and dedication they put into keeping my personal freedoms.
It just sucks that they have to be "the hand of the devil" in this case. they get the shit end of the stick cause some politician gets a hair up their ass to go back to a country we defeated before just to prove we are the big man on campus.
My G/F is a veteran of this war and I am proud of everything she did over there. Granted she wasn't out there fighting as she is a Surgery Technician, but some of the things she had to see and deal with just would kill anything left of my humanity. she has more strength then i could ever have in a situation like this.
i just want our boys and girls home safe with their families where they belong..... enough is enough already
Dead Winter
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I know what yer sayin' guru. I never thought for a minute you were saying Americans are a bunch of baby killers. I'm with you, man...I think this war made a lot of people much less trigger happy, at least in politics. I hope they'll learn their lesson one day.
I reached a point where I said enough is enough and got out. I just couldn't handle the blind stupidity anymore.
I reached a point where I said enough is enough and got out. I just couldn't handle the blind stupidity anymore.
Morbides
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~Lynn~
Bah...
Once you get out and travel around you will realize that we have it pretty damn good here, not without serious flaws, but pretty damn good.
War is war is war. That is why it is called war, not balloons and butterflies. I have customers dating back to WW2 veterans that like to come over and drink coffee, bs and show picture albums. A helicopter laying down fire on civilians is very tame shit compared to a photo album of nazi concentration camps, frozen fields of bodies, and asian torture practices through Korea and Veitnam.
Personally I do not agree on George jr's seemingly personal vendetta to accomplish what his father failed to do, along with an "entitled" general populous whom nods along with the mass marketed media with very little neuro activity. Let alone the U.N. meddling that goes on.
The problem with the United States is a very large part of it's population would rather take the easy way out rather than put effort forth.
Kudos to our troops who have and or had to put up with it all.
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