Fredman + Quad tracking?

[tarnationsauce2]

Anybody do this?
I just finished tracking this way. I am starting the mixing stage and am wondering if it might be "too much" of a good thing. And just stick to the center SM57's. Or maybe it's a tried and true method?

 

[Pman]

i did this with my old bands recordings
two guitarists, so 8 tracks in total
it sounded great (at the time )
as long as the playing is tight and there is no over powering EQ element (like too much gain or treble/middle/bass) etc as it will become very sharp/overpowering when all the tracks are played back together

 

[brandy]

8 tracks in total? I can't imagine that this will result in a clear and pricise riffing/translation... I would say it depends on the music - if you just need some walls of guitars... Death/Thrashmetal would be not the style to check out this technique.

If you have to deal with those much of different tracks you realy should take care NOT just recording all tracks with the same sound (amp/mic position)... Instead of that you should try to record sounds which "fit together" - so - maybe the 4th track will sound very shity soloed because he i just fizzy, thin... without beef.. But maybe he adds just the missing element to the overal sound.

 

[Emdprodukt]

That's something I wonder about...I mean I can't imagine that bands like between the buried and me or other very technical bands are quadtracking?

 

[Polpotkin]

Nordström said in an interview in a swedish magazine that he mixes the two signals before tape, so he doesn't end up with 8 tracks, just 4 IIRC

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

I end up with 8.

4 guitars/DI signals with 2 mics on each = 8 tracks.

 

[BloodyMurderKaraoke]

I end up with 8.

4 guitars/DI signals with 2 mics on each = 8 tracks.

Is that 8 per guitar player (16 total)?

 

[Glenn Fricker]

No. It's 8 tracks total, but only 4 takes. I've used this on numerous projects.

 

[BloodyMurderKaraoke]

So it's 2 takes per guitar player? (2 mics)

 

[Fredrik-Ablaze]

Well since Fredman himself almost always quadtracks I guess that's the way to go.

 

[Sloan]

I did this for some guys and it turned out really well.
It was a Hughes & Kettner MATRIX, solidstate, but I ended up getting some very usable sounds out of it, for what they were doing (modern rock). SM57 + i5 together.

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

It's 4 performances with 8 tracks.

So: Right side:
Guitar part one: 2 mics=2 tracks, amp 1
Guitar part one doubled= 2 mics= adittional 2 tracks, amp 1

Left side:
Guitar part one tripled = 2 more mics= another 2 tracks, amp 2
Guitar part one quad = 2 more mics = another 2 tracks, amp 2

Total tracks: 8, total performances 4.\

Witch brings me to my question on quad tracking: "where do you put the amps?"

Amp 1, Amp 1 <-------->Amp 2, Amp 2?

or Amp 1, Amp 2<----->Amp 1, Amp 2?

In other words should an amp get it's own side of the stereo image (2 5150 takes on the L and 2 recto on the right) or should they share (1 5150 takes each on L and R and 1 recto take per side L and R) ?

 

[BloodyMurderKaraoke]

I think your second diagram is what it should look like.

Thanks for responding, each guitarist has two takes, and each take has two mics

 

[Metaltastic]

I dunno, I always liked having a stereo guitar image because I write riffs with a ton of counterpoint, so I'd use the first image (although I honestly am pretty sparing in the parts that I quad-track, I've been happy with just double-tracking, one GTR. left, one right).

 

[Metaltastic]

Oh wait, I forgot that both guitar parts could be played on both amps...so I would say that as long as each guitar has one take on each amp, that it should be the second diagram.

 

[RKelly]

Tracking this band Mutiny from NJ, I used an Sm57/4047 on guitars and we did 4 layers per guitarist, sometimes a few more on the heavy sections. Each take was EQ'd differently plus the mics sound completely different so I would use different blends as well. It's imperative that their tuning and timing are spot on. As soon as it slips a little bit you'll hear the chorusing.

 

[egan.]

No. It's 8 tracks total, but only 4 takes. I've used this on numerous projects.

+1

 

[Downtime]

or Amp 1, Amp 2<----->Amp 1, Amp 2?

I prefer this method, since there´s a chance that both amps complement each other nicely and there´s more room to experiment.
On the 2nd album of Bleeding Through they had one amp on the right and another on the left, which was okay when both sides
were playing the same riff along. But in parts where one guitar runs solo on it´s side both sounded pretty bad and weird.

 

[scorpio01169]

No. It's 8 tracks total, but only 4 takes. I've used this on numerous projects.

+1 more

 

[JBroll]

I don't think I've ever needed two tracks per side for *depth* - I have beef to trim with one on each side.

Jeff