From the Candlelight days...

Jim LotFP

The Keeper of Metal
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... just read a couple-years-old Solstice interview (from Snakepit), and Mr. Walker of course subscribes to the King Fowley school of not mincing words, haha...

I assume the Candlelight-Solstice thing was under your watch? What happened?

Did you have any involvement in Agent Steel's deal?
 
I haven't seen the Solstice intie. What does it say? I'd be suprised if Rich slagged me off personally since we've always got on, but you can never tell with him sometimes. He's been reknowned as a "mouth-on-a-stick" ever since his days with Sore Throat.

And me have anything to do with Agent Steel??!! No way! Candlelight when I was in charge was all about discovering and promoting new talent, not bankrolling old has beens..

Lee
 
Originally posted by Lee_B
I haven't seen the Solstice intie. What does it say? I'd be suprised if Rich slagged me off personally since we've always got on, but you can never tell with him sometimes. He's been reknowned as a "mouth-on-a-stick" ever since his days with Sore Throat.

Dammit! All I have from Sore Throat is that frickin cuckoo clock song on Grindcrusher!

He didn't name you personally but he was quite angry with Candlelight and if you were in charge... Interview was done in 2000.

"Q: Lamentations was released by Candlelight Records in 1994. Were you happy with their promotion at the time and how would you say this CD was received in the underground press?

A: They were, and still are a set of moneygrubbing businessmen with no interest in metal. We had NO advertising at all for the album. Not fucking advert anywhere at all. Very few copies were sent out and we have NEVER received a sales statement either. The reviews we did receive were 90% excellent raving about us and 10% indifferent. We got one interview from a national magazine from it. That was the extent of Candlelight's incompetence."

Originally posted by Lee_B
And me have anything to do with Agent Steel??!! No way! Candlelight when I was in charge was all about discovering and promoting new talent, not bankrolling old has beens..

ahem. Agent Steel are not has-beens. heh. That new album was definitely not a letdown from the old stuff... but they were all excited at the beginning when it was released, and then got all pissed when nothing on the back end was done so I was wondering if their signing happened before you left and then everything went to hell after you left...
 
Dammit! All I have from Sore Throat is that frickin cuckoo clock song on Grindcrusher!

you're not missing much...


A: They were, and still are a set of moneygrubbing businessmen with no interest in metal. We had NO advertising at all for the album. Not fucking advert anywhere at all. Very few copies were sent out and we have NEVER received a sales statement either. The reviews we did receive were 90% excellent raving about us and 10% indifferent. We got one interview from a national magazine from it. That was the extent of Candlelight's incompetence."

Yeah, I was so money-grabbing I took a chance with an unknown doom metal band rather than signing every big-name black metal band that was offered to me... (and believe me, I turned down some of the biggest names out there) :rolleyes:

As it happens that album nearly put the label under. It was released at the same time as the Whores Of Babylon album and they both died a complete death, selling less than a thousand each in the first year. Sometimes if you take a chance with untrendy stuff shit like this happens. At the end of the day I did the best job I could at the time given the resourses and experience I had. With hindsight they probably do have a genuine cause for complaint I guess, but nothing was ever said at the time. Perhaps I should have held off until the Emperor album came out and I finally had some money in the bank? You learn this type of thing as you go along, and you certainly don't release an album expecting it to be a horrific sales-flop. The fact that the recent re-issue flopped too says something...

Misanthropy didn't fare any better with their next album either, and that was advertised everywhere.. Sometimes a band doesn't sell, no matter how much money you throw at 'em. Beyond Dawn was another example. We spent a lot of money (about $15,000 in total - not including pressing, etc) on the "Pity Love" album and it, again, did less than 2000 worldwide.

As far as the sales statements go, they went to the manager if I'm not mistaken , since the band were published via his company and the mechanical royalties had to go directly to him. Rich may remember that I paid him his publishing royalties directly after he told me that the manager said it would be okay. Needless to say the manager had said nothing of the sort and we ended up having to pay twice....

I'd also like to point out that I've forgotten more about metal than Rich even knows. I'm assuming that the "moneygrubbing businessmen with no interest in metal" was aimed at the other partners in the company and not to me... Metal is possibly the most important thing in my life, and I'm not a businessman by any stretch of the imagination!


ahem. Agent Steel are not has-beens. heh. That new album was definitely not a letdown from the old stuff... but they were all excited at the beginning when it was released, and then got all pissed when nothing on the back end was done so I was wondering if their signing happened before you left and then everything went to hell after you left...

I hated the old stuff too, so... I have a bit of a problem with all these bands reforming, doing their level best to muscle in on a scene that bears no relevance to them anymore. It's a pathetic form of nostalgia, and I wouldn't condone it in any way, shape or form. The only band I've heard who managed to pull it off so far has been Artillery, but even then I'd have been happier if they'd have changed the band name or just not bothered. Too many bands that held good memories for me back in the day have sullied their reputations with sub-standard cash-ins.

At the end of the day all bands think their labels could have done more, especially if no bugger bought the record.. I heard that the Agent Steel album did about 10,000 copies (unconfirmed of course. It could have been label bravado). No mean feat in todays market.

Lee
 
Originally posted by Lee_B
Yeah, I was so money-grabbing I took a chance with an unknown doom metal band rather than signing every big-name black metal band that was offered to me... (and believe me, I turned down some of the biggest names out there) :rolleyes:

Not a good businessman then. :)

Originally posted by Lee_B
The fact that the recent re-issue flopped too says something...

I bought this!

Originally posted by Lee_B
We spent a lot of money (about $15,000 in total - not including pressing, etc) on the "Pity Love" album and it, again, did less than 2000 worldwide

I bought this too! Boy, Misanthropy must have really had a death wish, haha.

Originally posted by Lee_B
I'm assuming that the "moneygrubbing businessmen with no interest in metal" was aimed at the other partners in the company and not to me... Metal is possibly the most important thing in my life,

Yeah, this is what struck me as odd...

Originally posted by Lee_B
I'm not a businessman by any stretch of the imagination!

I knew it!

Originally posted by Lee_B
I hated the old stuff too, so... I have a bit of a problem with all these bands reforming, doing their level best to muscle in on a scene that bears no relevance to them anymore.

Ya just have to take it on a case by case basis... theoretically a reformed band shouldn't be seen as any better/worse than a band that's just never stopped in the first place... I mean, I thought the Iron Maiden reformation was gross (after I heard the album...), but I also think a band like Running Wild just needs to stop... and at the same time, I like the Agent Steel stuff, old and new, and I don't hear many people calling for Motorhead's resignation....

*shrug*
 
Sorry if I'm interrupting something here (hehe), but I reckon Lee, that Candlelight was far better back in your days! I mean all you gotta do is listen to bands like Korpse, Decomposed, Dawn of Dreams and the afore mentioned Beyond Dawn and Solstice, and you'll realise that they are all awesome bands!! I must admit that in the Dawn of Dreams bio that I wrote, I did state that very little money had been spent regarding their promotional material, which resulted in very lacklustre sales for them. This is exactly what the Solstice guy said earlier!! I also, never saw any (or very few) adverts for any of these bands!!!! WHY??? All I saw were ads for Emperor and Opeth! Also very good bands, but I detected a slight hint of favouritism towards them.
 
Originally posted by Abigor
Sorry if I'm interrupting something here (hehe), but I reckon Lee, that Candlelight was far better back in your days! I mean all you gotta do is listen to bands like Korpse, Decomposed, Dawn of Dreams and the afore mentioned Beyond Dawn and Solstice, and you'll realise that they are all awesome bands!! I must admit that in the Dawn of Dreams bio that I wrote, I did state that very little money had been spent regarding their promotional material, which resulted in very lacklustre sales for them. This is exactly what the Solstice guy said earlier!! I also, never saw any (or very few) adverts for any of these bands!!!! WHY??? All I saw were ads for Emperor and Opeth! Also very good bands, but I detected a slight hint of favouritism towards them.

Sometimes a band doesn't sell regardless of how much money you throw at them. Dawn Of Dreams were advertised fairly regularly in several magazines, and always featured in the whole label ads. It was just one of those things. The press, although good in places, didn't exactly warm to the band either.

You have to remember that Candlelight were a small label at the time and money was tight. The UK was pretty much covered by Terrorizer (£600 or less for a colour page as opposed to £3000+ in Kerrang..), but then there'd be advertising you wouldn't have been aware of across Europe in various publications.

Opeth and Emperor were the only two bands to turn a profit on Candlelight at the time, and were the only reason I was able to experiment with bands like Dawn Of Dreams, Solstice or Korpse, who, I have to say, lost money hand over fist. So, if it looks like Opeth and Emperor took priority it's because they were the bands paying the bills..