Garland+Framus Dragon cab. Can I finally do away with Impulses?

[Soundlurker]

UPDATE: NEW MIX




It's a really boxy sounding cab but I finally got a good tone out of it. Single Sm57 near the edge of the dustcap, closer to the centre.
Mix (with eq)
Guitars only (with eq)

It did take a load of eq to get rid of the mud and to give it some clarity. The raw tracks are a bit nasty and dark despite the very bright amp settings:

Mix (raw guitars)
Guitars only (raw)

 

[Wild Hades]

The raw guitars are definitely boxy, and I think you've made a really good job on the eq, although there is still something not 100% right on the low mids, probably dued to the source tracks.
I think I'll take this still-not-perfect sound over an impulse response, anyway...

Good work

 

[Soundlurker]

Thanks, but you're right it is still boxy. I'm listening to it now with fresh ears and I can't stand it. I tried some more eq but it's no use polishing a turd:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1891957/Framus Dragon/dragon_eq4.mp3

Back to the drawing board I guess...

 

[allplaydead]

It's actually not bad man, the newest one is definitely the best. I'd try using a dual mic technique to balance out the treble/graininess obtained from the center of the cone.

 

[Soundlurker]

Yeah, I know it's not that bad but I don't want to settle for "not bad", you know I'll be doing some experiments soon and I'll post them up if there's an improvement.

 

[Ola Englund]

I think the equed version sounds fine. You tamed the beast so to speak!
You can probably remove some more around 300-400 hz to remove some box

 

[lekteri]

I like raw guitars over equalized one's. They are just more personal or something.

 

[CarlBlomqvist]

I think the first one was the best. It fits the music so well, but it's kinda boomy. The second "new" one has some REALLY annoying frequenzy boost or something. It's singing.

 

[lekteri]

Framus Dragon 100w head + Engl Standard cab(V30):

EQ
http://liquorworks.wippiespace.com/mp3/demo/Framus Dragon eq.mp3

RAW
http://liquorworks.wippiespace.com/mp3/demo/Framus Dragon Raw.mp3

 

[Soundlurker]

I actually modded my cab (no, not the Fricker Screw Mod ) and I think it's definitely better now. More details and clips to follow soon.

 

[Soundlurker]

And here are some interesting results:

These are the raw guitars I already posted
original raw guitars
After the mod, using the same mic position and settings the result was noticeably less boxy but still not very good:
raw guitars after the mod
Thankfully it seems to have made quite a difference on the other speakers in the cab and this is the best raw clip so far:
raw guitars after mod, different speaker

and with some eq I ended up with this mix:
New Mix

 

[Ola Englund]

definetly sounds less boxy and it sounds alot better. The sound is still a bit fatiguing to listen to though.

 

[Soundlurker]

Yeah, I guess I can't expect miracles from that cab. The plywood is reaaally thin. I'll see if I can have someone build me a nice big solid cab to put the Framus' V30s in.