Gays can't marry in Cali or whatever.

[V.V.V.V.V.]

You don't have the right to say who can love who. There is a necessary separation of church and state, and the only argument against gay marriage is from a religious standpoint, so it is obviously not right. Are we getting through to you here? You have to realize, religion and faith itself is a personal phenomenon (or a social one, I guess)...but it's not the government's job to stick to religious beliefs, esp. in a country like the USA where freedom is (supposed to be) our middle name and there are a ton of different religious with differing points of view. The best way to do things is to stay neutral.

 

[AchrisK]

But if I see marriage as a sacred institution, then how can I do both?

 

[Thoth-Amon]

You don't have the right to say who can love who. There is a necessary separation of church and state, and the only argument against gay marriage is from a religious standpoint, so it is obviously not right. Are we getting through to you here? You have to realize, religion and faith itself is a personal phenomenon (or a social one, I guess)...but it's not the government's job to stick to religious beliefs, esp. in a country like the USA where freedom is (supposed to be) our middle name and there are a ton of different religious with differing points of view. The best way to do things is to stay neutral.

Danke.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

But if I see marriage as a sacred institution, then how can I do both?

Keep it sacred in your own life... what other people do with it is none of your concern.
What if for example it was the gays who were in charge and who thought that ONLY gay marriage was sacred and they denied straights the right to marry? That would be pretty fucked up wouldn't it? In other words you would be suffering because of someone else's supposedly sacred ideology.

 

[AchrisK]

You don't have the right to say who can love who...

What do you call that? When you change what the other person is saying into something else, then show how bad it is, based on how you phrased or explained it?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

But if I see marriage as a sacred institution, then how can I do both?

wat

You do know that the people who think marriage is a sacred union are the ones who constantly break their vows for divorces right? You're seeing the hypocrisy right? I think you're grasping at straws. I don't mean to deconstruct your beliefs or say they are "wrong" but you have to realize this! There is not just one religion in the US!

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

Despicable oppression that in future days will be viewed no less pathetic than slavery and racism.

 

[AchrisK]

wat

You do know that the people who think marriage is a sacred union are the ones who constantly break their vows for divorces right? You're seeing the hypocrisy right? I think you're grasping at straws. I don't mean to deconstruct your beliefs or say they are "wrong" but you have to realize this! There is not just one religion in the US!

You saw my original reply, right? The one where I agreed with you.

Can't argue with some of these points. Still, I prefer to keep marriage and traditional family as "sacred" and as the cornerstone of our society.

Regardless of religion, the family unit where people have kids and raise them is the fundamental unit that makes this country strong. Yes, it is faltering, and society is feeling the effects. Doesn't mean it is time to change what it is.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Regardless of religion, the family unit where people have kids and raise them is the fundamental unit that makes this country strong. Yes, it is faltering, and society is feeling the effects. Doesn't mean it is time to change what it is.

Except it is NOT changing the fundamental unit. All it is doing is adding to something that already exists. You don't like gay marriage? Great... don't have one. I don't like Mormonism... so guess what? I don't believe in it. At the same time I don't try to make it illegal for others to be Mormon.

 

[AchrisK]

Except it is NOT changing the fundamental unit. All it is doing is adding to something that already exists. You don't like gay marriage? Great... don't have one. I don't like Mormonism... so guess what? ...

You don't have one?

 

[The Ozzman]

*facepalm*

 

[AchrisK]

*facepalm*

you shut up

 

[Thoth-Amon]

you shut up

*realizes he cannot defend his arguments... resorts to insults*

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

wtf are you even talking about brodude.

This was a previous reply owned by my computer's wireless disconnecting. Blame God!

What do you call that? When you change what the other person is saying into something else, then show how bad it is, based on how you phrased or explained it?

I didn't change what you said. Lemme get this straight. You believe that there is a necessary statute that gays are not allowed the sacred union of marriage because marriage = man + woman. How then are you not contending that you have the right to decide who is loving who, how they can express this love (don't say civil union = marriage, because there is more than a semantic point to be made here, namely the fact that marriage as a sacred union is a horrible stupid point due to reasons I've been pointing out) and how your religion is the dominant, sovereign one because only its rules apply? That isn't how societies become stable; it's how they fail.

 

[Valerie]

I am outraged.

 

[mutantllama]

Start a Riot of Violence

 

[Valerie]

I'll sit down in the street and immolate myself like a monk from an obscure Asian country.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Now THOSE people know how to put on a fucking DEMONSTRATION!

-loose Carlin quote

 

[AchrisK]

*realizes he cannot defend his arguments... resorts to insults*

Well, how does one defend ones self from a facepalm?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

By making actual points...I dunno, wild guess. So any evidence as to why your belief isn't aggrandizing religious zealotry with no place in such a great country as the US of A?