Gays can't marry in Cali or whatever.

[Orion Crystal Ice]

banning retards from having sex

= extinction > human race

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Well, at least it has some kind of scientific logic and isn't just "OMG GAYS = GROSS" or whatever.

Yeah... close, but no cigar I'm afraid.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Whatever, that isn't really the topic of discussion here, and I don't think this should become about that...

 

[Death Aflame]

Whatever, that isn't really the topic of discussion here, and I don't think this should become about that...

That's a fair point, though it is related to the larger question of where the line is and should be drawn between institutionalized freedom of certain minority groups and the continued outlawing and state-sponsored oppression of others.

As it seems logically hypocritical in this case to advocate gay marriage and not allow consenting incestuous couples to have the same rights.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Whatever, that isn't really the topic of discussion here, and I don't think this should become about that...

You're just trying to marginalise the sibling fucker community.

 

[Death Aflame]

You're just trying to marginalise the sibling fucker community.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

That's a fair point, though it is related to the larger question of where the line is and should be drawn between institutionalized freedom of certain minority groups and the continued outlawing and state-sponsored oppression of others.

As it seems logically hypocritical in this case to advocate gay marriage and not allow consenting incestuous couples to have the same rights.

To be honest I'm just saying that there really is no logical reason (theology is not logic) to disallow marriage between gays, but there seems to be at least a logical reason (weird and disturbing as it may be, it's better than theology/pure, unadulterated myth) to disallow inbreeding/incestuous relationships.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

for the sake of continuing the line of thought, would incest be on the same level of acceptance if there was no possibility of actual breeding?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I don't really see why it would be. It may be gross, but this is the land of freedom, so...yeah.

 

[Death Aflame]

To be honest I'm just saying that there really is no logical reason (theology is not logic) to disallow marriage between gays, but there seems to be at least a logical reason (weird and disturbing as it may be, it's better than theology/pure, unadulterated myth) to disallow inbreeding/incestuous relationships.

Ah I see, though that still doesn't explain away vihris' notion of 'letting retards fuck'.

Here is another thing I just thought of that is related. What about polygamy? Should polygamists also not be allowed the same institutionalized rights of marriage as monogamists? Again, so long as all parties consent to the arrangement.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I dunno. I think polygamy does have some extra-legal implications but not really sure tbh.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

Now we get into the territory where we will have to more widely debate a general notion of freedom up against what freedom is Constitutionally, it looks like.


There is the gay vs incest argument, and the idea that if there were no offspring, incest would carry acceptance in the same...but there again, there is also the 'eugenics..' argument which does carry merit although it may seem far-fetched at first glance.


Aside from polygamy possibly costing everyone more money in the long run - which is the same thing that smokers do re: the health system for example - why should or should not polygamy be illegal, also?

What's our measuring stick at this point?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Let people do whatever the fuck they want?

 

[zabu of nΩd]

What's our measuring stick at this point?

Letting people do what they fucking want if it isn't hurting anyone else.


edit: dammit, ninja'd

 

[Death Aflame]

Aside from polygamy possibly costing everyone more money in the long run - which is the same thing that smokers do re: the health system for example - why should or should not polygamy be illegal, also?

What's our measuring stick at this point?

How does polygamy possibly cost people more money?

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

That will lead to arguing what defines hurt, as strange as it seems, the state and you/I may differ in that, and an extremely strong opinion often needs a strong ...as least *close to* objective backing.


in other news, I don't know why I continue being civil sometimes..

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

How does polygamy possibly cost people more money?

With the divorce and lawsuit rate being what it is with two-person unions & children, do you think anyone in the system except lawyers would financially enjoy dealing with clusters and clusters of a man & 8 wives with children?

 

[Cythraul]

What guy wouldn't want polygamy to be legal? I mean, you could pound a different broad every night or all of them at once if that suits your fancy.

 

[Death Aflame]

With the divorce and lawsuit rate being what it is with two-person unions & children, do you think anyone in the system except lawyers would financially enjoy dealing with clusters and clusters of a man & 8 wives with children?

That's true, but I don't know how much of a detriment it would actually turn out to be, since I expect that polygamy itself would still likely remain a fringe activity, it wouldn't suddenly supplant monogamy, thus the cost of divorce proceedings probably would never reach the same level as with 'normal' divorces.

Then there is also the issue of divorce in polygamous arrangements--is it really that common, as common as it is in monogamy? Somehow I doubt it, though I don't really know.

 

[skeptik]

Most polygamist wives tend to be soulless, braindead, manipulated sacks of flesh with no will of their own, so I would imagine that divorce is not very high among polygamist groups.