God did not create the earth, according to scripture.

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Interesting discovery.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...2/God-is-not-the-Creator-claims-academic.html

Professor Ellen van Wolde, a respected Old Testament scholar and author, claims the first sentence of Genesis "in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" is not a true translation of the Hebrew.

She claims she has carried out fresh textual analysis that suggests the writers of the great book never intended to suggest that God created the world -- and in fact the Earth was already there when he created humans and animals.

Prof Van Wolde, 54, who will present a thesis on the subject at Radboud University in The Netherlands where she studies, said she had re-analysed the original Hebrew text and placed it in the context of the Bible as a whole, and in the context of other creation stories from ancient Mesopotamia.

She said she eventually concluded the Hebrew verb "bara", which is used in the first sentence of the book of Genesis, does not mean "to create" but to "spatially separate".

The first sentence should now read "in the beginning God separated the Heaven and the Earth"

According to Judeo-​Christian tradition, God created the Earth out of nothing.

Prof Van Wolde, who once worked with the Italian academic and novelist Umberto Eco, said her new analysis showed that the beginning of the Bible was not the beginning of time, but the beginning of a narration.

She said: "It meant to say that God did create humans and animals, but not the Earth itself."

She writes in her thesis that the new translation fits in with ancient texts.

According to them there used to be an enormous body of water in which monsters were living, covered in darkness, she said.

She said technically "bara" does mean "create" but added: "Something was wrong with the verb.

"God was the subject (God created), followed by two or more objects. Why did God not create just one thing or animal, but always more?"

She concluded that God did not create, he separated: the Earth from the Heaven, the land from the sea, the sea monsters from the birds and the swarming at the ground.

"There was already water," she said.

"There were sea monsters. God did create some things, but not the Heaven and Earth. The usual idea of creating-​out-​of-​nothing,​ creatio ex nihilo, is a big misunderstandin​g.​"​

God came later and made the earth livable, separating the water from the land and brought light into the darkness.

She said she hoped that her conclusions would spark "a robust debate", since her finds are not only new, but would also touch the hearts of many religious people.

She said: "Maybe I am even hurting myself. I consider myself to be religious and the Creator used to be very special, as a notion of trust. I want to keep that trust."

A spokesman for the Radboud University said: "The new interpretation is a complete shake up of the story of the Creation as we know it."

Prof Van Wolde added: "The traditional view of God the Creator is untenable now." :kickass:
 
...are they gonna split every single faction of Christianity up even further?? Like there weren't too many as it is, now we have them arguing over whether or not god "created" earth or made it from what was already in existence...

...does that make god Bill Gates??
 
+1, it's all bullshit, no need to translate and analyze things to know that and that won't make a difference either. Trying to come up with logical clever arguments isn't worthwhile, the biggest argument against religion is just that it is silly, end of story.

Science is a religion, you are just ignorant!

.. :rolleyes::lol:
 
Sounds like someone is attempting to reconcile Christianity with what we now know about evolution and our solar system by pointing out grammatical errors.
 
This is a book that has spawned countless misunderstandings of history, science, and ethics... but we're surprised to find grammatical errors? Might as well make a big stink about war criminals leaving the toilet seat up...

Jeff
 
hahahaha Interesting comments. Bullshit=Bullshit, I agree. Still, I will enjoy watching hardcore fundamentalist squirm and deny their way out of this one. Just waiting for it to catch on. :devil:
 
Woah, guys!!! I've just finished translating a even NEWER version of the text and the results are COMPLETELY SHOCKING AND DEFY EVERYTHING WE'VE EVER KNOWN!!!
The original text "In the beginning..." which easily translates into "Around noon, yesterday...". Notice the complete LACK of regard for the comma!!! Which is understandable because in biblical times there were no such things as commas. That easily proves that my translation is 100% correct and will most definitely cause an uproar from anyone who doesn't believe every word I put forth.
To continue the original text "God created...."
Clearly this is a text book example of misunderstanding and devastatingly painful misinterpretation of the TRU translation which reads as follows: "Bob did some stuff".
And so as you all can plainly see for yourselves based on my hardcore evidence and undoubtedly accurate proof, "Bob did some stuff around noon, yesterday."