Great soloing advice

Pass-I love the one on youtube, its a three piece, he stands up for a few seconds, continueing to play with hammers & pulls, while reaching in his back pocket to pull out a half pick for some flat pickin, digs for a bit, sits back down and the song goes on. He was not perfect but the most incredible thing is he developed that style.

Dont understand why you wouldnt like Trower either JD. I bought Bridge of Sighs when new and played the hell out of it. I actually prefer them to Mahogany Rush. But I like that slow smokie thing ....... {grins}. Might have something to do with the early 70's ......

Also James Dewar I could rate as my second favorite vocalist behind Tate. Prolly why I took to Dio and Allen so much. Its that full solid deep tone & expression. Now Marino's voice sounds like Zappa's. Both Trower and Magohany Rush had great lyrics. "About to Begin" is my favorite Trower/Dewar vocal & groove track, I just connected to it. It seems to be the least popular ...... go figure .......
 
razor...

You would love Moore...pick up Corridors of Power and Victims of the Future...or one of the many compilations since then. The blues thing you were thinking of is Still Got the Blues...his first blues album and a fine one at that.

The blind guy is Jeff Healey...outstanding debut album "See the Light"...a real favorite of mine. It was downhill from there though.

As far as Jazz...I'm a Wes Montgomery fan...Joe Pass was an exceptional talent, of course. I always swayed more to the jazz fusion thing...Larry Carlton is one of my biggest influences.
 
Alright now were talking - Larry Carlton - dont know much of his stuff outside of Steely Dan but I know the solo for Kid Charlemane is def. one of my all time favorites
 
Meedly...you really need to post something...I'm curious to hear you...you sound like a mature, bright, young player with a good head on your shoulders. You probably don't suck at all like us old farts here. Ha!
 
:lol: hahahah. I also feel another great thing for solos is using the melody you've already got going. Either the vocal line or the chord pattern and working off of that to go somewhere interesting, yet relevant. Nothing says amateur like a solo out of nowhere that doesn't fit the song at all.
 
ABQShredHead said:
Yeah, Ken, but just wait till you get into the Corporate world and they try to shove that "less is more" crap down your throat in the form of "do more with less".

Then you'll agree with Yngwie. :lol:
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oh so true and not just in the corporate world, for the entire workforce that does not play golf and fly around the world for "important" meetings ...... not to get all political cause its wrong and this is about ......... GUITAR !

I actually prefer to use the saying "when less is more" that way its not cut and dry because its not. The combination of smoking runs and licks combined with some air and feel is always the best solos. I believe most professional guitarists do play with lots of feel, even the shredders. My Yngwie deciple buddy has tons of feel and mixs the three scales together nicely. Even when he's smokin there is still a strong melodic shadow beneath the flurry. He does not sound like yngwie either. The only time I have problems with it is sometimes he doesnt let it breath at all and then it looses passion. BUT, whatever, hes 10 times or more skilled than I, and in reality is my biggest metal influence. Im even jelous of his riffs and I have some decent riffs but his are better ........ me ------->:mad:
 
Thats very true. I find that solos are like the climax of a book...or something else...:lol: You have to build up to them, then have a solo, then go out with something simpler. Multiple solos are good as long as they are placed in the right places.

One thing too many metal bands do is cover up lame solos with whammy...i.e. Vader....Vader is amazing but Peter cant solo for shit. Mauser can, because he does all the scales and stuff and uses hardtails, but Peter...just all out whammy. Its awful lol

Soloing needs to be a variety and sound different every single song. Necrophagist is AMAZING but Muhammad lacks solo variety. Other than a few songs, the solos are not very distinguishable whereas solos by Terrance Hobbs or Fredrik Thorendal are very differentiated. Try to mix techniques and use many different scales.
 
Kenneth R. said:
Nothing says amateur like a solo out of nowhere that doesn't fit the song at all.
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Thats what could easily be said about Eddie but somehow I still like his most of his presentation.

However Ill disagree about following the melody line too closely or at all. In fact I think that might actually be, whats the word, its a fancy word for unacceptable. Take stuff like Maiden or Scorpions for example that had the melodic harmonized guitar melody themes. They would still not follow the vocal melody and they would still keep the solo separate and play as a solo. I do know what your talking about though. I've tried a bit of it but would move away from it as the song developed.
 
razoredge said:
Thats what could easily be said about Eddie but somehow I still like his most of his presentation.

However Ill disagree about following the melody line too closely or at all. In fact I think that might actually be, whats the word, its a fancy word for unacceptable. Take stuff like Maiden or Scorpions for example that had the melodic harmonized guitar melody themes. They would still not follow the vocal melody and they would still keep the solo separate and play as a solo. I do know what your talking about though. I've tried a bit of it but would move away from it as the song developed.
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The solo can take on a melody all its own, but it's interesting when it hints at the song melody. I often play something melodic that will feel like a song within a song and just come back to the main themes to create a feel of composition.
 
OK, I was talking vocal melody. So who can name solos that follow the vocal melody, I know there out there but cant place any. I guess it might be a bit common in blues but then alot of blues vocal/guitar interaction is counter point and some mimicks

George Benson did some I guess, not that Ive heard alot.
 
Two words - 'Parisienne Walkways'. Gary Moore is phenomenal...just oozes soul. For my money the player with the most soul and feeling. Also, one of the best players at leaving holes is Carlos Santana...just listen to 'Europa'.

Two versions of 'Parisienne Walkways' one with Phil Lynott(RIP) and the other solo.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pWVTqr6EgWk

J-Dubya 777 said:
HUGE fan of Moore's here. Got to see him on the Victims tour in a small club in Chicago. Definately a lot to learn by listening to this guy... I also like Pat Travers & Frank Marino, but I can't stand Trower. I can't put my finger on it, it just rubs me the wrong way somehow.
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I'm gonna have to agree with ya here, J-Dub - love the other guys, but just never got into Trower for some reason. Also, I thought you liked to be rubbed the wrong way...:erk:
 
TheWhisper said:
Two words - 'Parisienne Walkways'. Gary Moore is phenomenal...just oozes soul. For my money the player with the most soul and feeling. Also, one of the best players at leaving holes is Carlos Santana...just listen to 'Europa'.

Two versions of 'Parisienne Walkways' one with Phil Lynott(RIP) and the other solo.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pWVTqr6EgWk


I'm gonna have to agree with ya here, J-Dub - love the other guys, but just never got into Trower for some reason. Also, I thought you liked to be rubbed the wrong way...:erk:
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Moore is just great and Parisienne Walkways is gorgeous!

Love the song Europa...not a big Santana fan...the best version of Europa is on the Moonflower live album.
 
razoredge said:
OK, I was talking vocal melody. So who can name solos that follow the vocal melody, I know there out there but cant place any. I guess it might be a bit common in blues but then alot of blues vocal/guitar interaction is counter point and some mimicks

George Benson did some I guess, not that Ive heard alot.
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Benson is more like the voice following the guitar.

Unfortunately...much modern metal doesn't even have a melody to follow...ha!

I got one...Falling In Love With You...another Moore tune from Corridors of Power...the solo follows the melody.
Edit: Wrong...I was confusing it with the instrumental version... but, from the same album I Can't Wait Until Tomorrow.

I know what you're saying though razor...and I agree. I do though enjoy when themes are repeated.
 
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