SoWN had a Soundgarden/AIC type feel to it, and was a definite departure from thrash, and Charlie made a conscience decision to avoid double bass on that one (he even thought about taking a single bass kit out on the road for that tour !!!!!) That is why some consider it a sell out. Personnaly I don't. I don't understand why people hate Stomp though. It may be a little one dimensional, but it is still heavy as hell! Vol. 8, I guess it is kind of a clusterfuck in hindsight, but it was raw, and in the rawness was some fury, and some very emotional songs. Bottom line is that this new one is the best of the best I guess.