http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/un-arms-trade-treaty-nra_n_1711578.html
WASHINGTON -- One week after the Aurora, Colo., mass murder brought gun-control back to the forefront of political discourse, the Obama administration found itself faced with its first test on the issue -- and blinked.
An arms control treaty to regulate the $60 billion global business of illicit small arms trading that had worked its way through United Nations negotiating channels for several years came up at the final day of a U.N. global conference in New York on Friday. The U.S. joined Russia in objecting to a final version, with some diplomats and human rights advocates blaming the U.S. for the defeat.
As the Colorado slaughter put guns back on the agenda this week, Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) and 50 fellow senators sent a letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday, saying that they would vote against ratifying the treaty if it "restricts the rights of law-abiding American gun owners."
Moran, in a press release, quoted a National Rifle Association leader, who said members would "never surrender our right to keep and bear arms to the United Nations." Treaty opponent John Bolton, ex-President George W. Bush's ambassador to the U.N., wrote that gun-control advocates "hope to use restrictions on international gun sales to control gun sales at home."
Both ignore the legal principle that says no treaty can override the Constitution or U.S. laws. The Associated Press fact-checked claims by the NRA and Bolton on Friday and concluded their assertions were false.
The NRA has been "spreading lies" about the treaty, said Amnesty International spokeswoman Suzanne Trimel in an interview. "Basically, what they're saying is that the arms trade treaty will have some impact on domestic, Second Amendment gun rights. And that is just false, completely false," she said.
Human rights activists have described the treaty as a monumental step toward preventing the illicit flow of weapons to conflict-torn regions. It "creates a global background check to prevent countries and arms exporters from selling guns and military hardware to ... human rights abusers," said Suzanne Nossel, executive director of Amnesty International, in a statement Friday. "It has been in the works for more than a decade -- the Obama administration should not make itself the obstacle just as it reaches the finish line," she added.
The treaty seemed to have a good shot in 2009, when the Obama administration broke from the Bush administration's opposition and showed support.
A version of the pact presented to U.S. negotiators late Thursday appeared to satisfy their concerns, according to Amnesty International.
But early Friday, according to Amnesty, Thomas Countryman, the deputy secretary of state for international security and nonproliferation, told the negotiators that the U.S. needed more time to review the treaty. Russia, Indonesia and India voiced similar concerns.
The U.S. Mission to the U.N. did not respond to requests for comment on Friday.
Reports late on Friday indicated that the treaty was unlikely to move for at least several months. While Friday was a setback for an agreement, there is still a possibility that a draft treaty could be brought before the U.N. General Assembly and passed with two-thirds majority vote in the 193-nation body.
Also, you say the U.S. does relatively well in violent crime rate statistics but you offer
none up to validate your argument. And even if you were to find such statistics (although we do know via previous posts that the NRA does it best to stifle or falsify gun violence statistics), let's just consider the facts so far: (a) we've already seen via previous posts that
the amount of gun-related crime has a very strong link to the availability of guns amongst civillians (b) via previous posts we've also seen that
a great proportion of violent crime in U.S. does occur with guns involved (c) then if we follow this through
logically (which I know you have trouble with), it's obviously clear that
if countries with higher violent crime rates were as awash with guns as the U.S., the violent crimes committed there would be most likely involve guns and thus be both more numerous and more heinous. Also, how would you expect the over-all violent crime rate in a rotting third-world country to compare to a civillized first world country like the USA anyway? Your argument is so full of holes that I guess you must have been using it for target practice:
You reveal your supreme ignorance with regard to comprehension and general brainwashed-ness when you refer to an entire U.N. report about the deterimental effect of small arms
on all levels to human society as a whole as being "based on war". The reports covers all the detrimental effects of gun ownership from crime-based aspects to their use by governments and other armed groups in third world countries. How do you think civil wars get started in the first place? Answer: an excess of guns in civillian society. I know you're going to whine about "justified resistance" here but let me ask you this: what percentage of civil wars in third world countries do you actually think are "justified"? Most of the time it's just obvious greed and hunger for power, replacing one dictatorship with another - read your history books. And
none of it would happen without an excess of guns in society.
The statistics are all there regarding how
severe and serious a blight guns are to human society in general, but I guess you didn't notice them because you clearly didn't read or understand any of those three reports because your puppet-like mental state won't allow you to, or else you would have noticed: The U.N. tried to introduced a bill to try halt this endless slaughter and carnage by curtailing to a degree the manufacture and ownership of small arms on a global, but the NRA was instrumental in blocking the most important and effective parts of the bill. That's right,
some redneck association in America is enabling and empowering (among other things) civil wars in third world countries, many involving child soldiers, to give some hillbillies in their fat rich home country the right to say "I gotta haves me a gun to defends meself from criminals and the evil bad U.S. government". It truly is sick, and both the NRA and mindless puppets like you who support them have blood on their hands.
Stories like this are a dime a dozen in the U.S., but gun nuts don't care about anything as much as being able to admire the metallic sheen of their killing machine as they hold it lovingly in their arms.
http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-woman-loses-4th-child-gun-violence-050937554.html
Chicago woman loses 4th child to gun violence
CHICAGO (AP) — At least five people were gunned down Saturday in Chicago, including a 34-year-old man whose mother had already lost her three other children to shootings.
Ronnie Chambers, who was his mother Shirley's youngest child, was shot in the head while sitting in a parked car on the city's West Side. A 21-year-old man who was also in the car was wounded, police said.
Shirley Chambers, whose two other sons and daughter were shot in separate attacks more than a decade ago, was left grieving again on Saturday, WLS-TV reported (http://bit.ly/VCSh8i ).
"Right now, I'm totally lost because Ronnie was my only surviving son," Chambers said.
Shirley Chambers' first child, Carlos, was shot and killed by a high school classmate in 1995 after an argument. He was 18. Her daughter Latoya, then 15, and her other son Jerome were shot and killed within months of one another in 2000.
"What did I do wrong? I was there for them. We didn't have everything we wanted but we had what we needed," she asked Saturday.
Chambers said despite this latest tragic chapter in her life, she's not bitter or angry.
"They took my only child. I have nobody right now. That's my only baby," she said.
A few hours after Ronnie Chambers was killed, a gunman opened fire on three men near a South Side eatery, killing two of them and wounding the third, police said.
On Saturday afternoon, detectives were called to the scene of another shooting in which a man in his 30s and a teenager were shot to death. There had been no arrests.
Chicago's homicide count eclipsed 500 last year for the first time since 2008. As grim as it is, Chicago's homicide rate was almost double in the early 1990s — averaging around 900 — before violent crime began dropping in cities across America.
Last year's increase, though, stood in sharp contrast to New York, where homicides fell 21 percent from 2011, as of early December.
Also, you simply dismiss 3/5 of global gun deaths as being due to war but conveniently ignore the fact that most of those gun deaths are NOT governments fighting governments but rather civil wars in third world countries that occur precisely BECAUSE there are too many guns in civilian society (thanks largely to the US and others making guns so freely available on ther global market) which enables varies armed civilian groups to take up guns against the government. History has shown many times that these wars are often really bloody and protracted and hardly ever result in a stable government being established, with civil war generally re-occurring. Has a mindless puppet like you ever heard of the term "ethics"? I'm sure you could make a very ethically and morally convincing argument that even a gun-less and relatively peaceful society like China where the government controls all forms of media is preferable to the state of constant civil strife that occurs in many of these third world countries awash with guns. Even an oppressive government is better than having no government with a constant state of constant anarchy and war due to excessive gun ownership within civilian society (and if you can't justify war, then you sure as hell can't justify civilians carrying weapons of war within a peaceful "not-at-war" society, which happens to be your particular fetish).
This is EXACTLY why the U.N. wanted to introduce this bill to tackle these kind of recurring gun-based problems within the third world, but the NRA stepped in and was instrumental in blocking the bill because some rednecked buffoons in the backwoods of America wanted to cling to their pretty little guns while child soldiers fight wars with the same freely-available guns in third world countries. Do you really fail to see the sick and twisted sense of immorality here? To brainwashed puppets like you it's just all numbers on a page, the deaths of a few million civilians means nothing to you as long as you can keep your precious little guns. Maybe you would change your tune if someone close to you got gunned down - or maybe you'd just think "It was their fault because they weren't carrying a concealed gun that they would have had time to pull out and fight back with". Your heartless and mindless thinking is disgusting and despicable.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...hip-world-list
Country, Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop, Average firearms per 100 people, Average total all civilian firearms
United States 2.97, 88.8, 270,000,000
Germany 0.19, 30.3, 25,000,000
France 0.06, 31.2, 19,000,000
Sweden 0.41, 31.6, 2,800,000
Denmark 0.27, 12, 650,000
Poland 0.09, 1.3, 510,000
Spain 0.2, 10.4, 4,500,000
SOURCES: UNODC & Small arms survey
2.97 as a gun homicide rate is only "low" when compared to the gangster-ridden, poverty-stricken 3rd world countries on that list, and still far higher than any other first world country there. And the very way that gangsters and other criminals use guns in those countries to assert their dominance is in itself a very effective example of why it's bad to have a society overflowing with civilian guns. For a gangster a gun is the Holy Graille that gives him a sense of power and control - no gangbanger feels like a "badass" with a knife tucked in his sock compared to 90% of the other gangster out there packing all manner of guns.
And back with a reference to those violent crime statistics that you posted earlier, you were making false statements about the U.S. having far lower violent crime rates than most other first world countries, but since the U.S. clocked in at 466 crimes per 100,000 residents it would be 11th or 12th on the last list which is still very much in the top tier of violent countries, and (as I mentioned earlier) we also need to remember that the U.S. has a far greater degree of serious violent crime (such as murders), with much of it centered around guns