My gear, LTD-EX-50 with emg pickups, 4x10 fender super 60 tube amp head and cab separate.. I use this amp because it is very warm and when used with a pedal has great tone. The pedal I use is a jouhnson fx-100 eq distortion pedal. Produces very good distortion for my taste. I also have an ubermetal pedal by line 6 but rarely use it. 2 sure sm 57 mics. I record with 2 mics for guitars and record another second track panning them hard left and right. My interface is cubase le4 and I use an fp10 firewire recording interface. I know this may be a lot to read but I know that putting all the equip up when asking questions like this helps. I am getting ready to record a new album and want to get to a more defined but heavy distortion sound that will translate well once recorded. I dont scoop mids. I am just trying to get some good settings for the amp and pedal combo for my music. Does anyone have a good starting point? Also should the amp and pedal settings be the same? Or are the supposed to be set up differently? What should my bass, treble, mid and gain settings be at for a good bottom but not muddy death metal guitar track? Thanks for reading all this crap lol. Any help is appreciated. I already . The badmucking fastard was just all over the place, no help
heavy or death metal tone tips
- Thread starter mrlindeman
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the only right answer is whatever you think sounds good... only you are the one who decides what good tone is to you.
its really that simple... setting your amp to a different tone in hopes it will sound different once recorded is... stupid. It wont happen. You can edit the hell out of it and adjust the EQ once its recorded, but pushing all the highs wont make it sound like Band X Y or Z once its recorded.
the mics will impart their own unique character... the only thing you can do is EXPERIMENT. Try it out. Record some guitar tracks, and analyze the sound. Is it too brittle? Roll back the highs a bit. Kinda muddy? Boost the mids. Not oopmh-y enough? boost the bass a bit.
PERSONALLY, what I do is boost the lows and lower mids and the highs a little bit, because that gives you the scooped-mids tonal character without ACTUALLY having the mids scooped out: they are still there, so it will cut through.
I also use a Boss EQ pedal, because amp EQ's don't do jack shit unless they're active, and afaik, only Mesa uses active EQ. It really is AMAZING what you can do with your sound when you get an EQ pedal. Its easily the most important piece of gear in my rig, and I've used it with every amp I've owned, from my old Marshall, to my 5150, and now my Carvin Belair.
also, if you want to get a better overall sound, adjust the EQ on the 2nd track, because recording a 2nd track with the EXACT same setup will result in odd phasing issues because you aren't going to be playing the exact same thing, even though the tone is the same. There will be slight timing issues, and it will muddy up the sound. Make the two tracks distinct.
I suggest starting with whatever your prefered overall tone is, and then for the 2nd track, take out a little bit of the bass and pump up the mids to give it a lot of attack and pressence, because that will blend with the oomph you'll get from the initial track to create an overall guitar tone that is both present and in your face, but still thick and fat with bottom end.
Mic placement also matters.
but seriously man, theres no right answer. the only thing you can do is experiment until you find what you like.
Try plaacing the mics directly facing the speaker cone, and then try placing it at a 45 degree angle. or do both mics at once, with one facing directly and one at a 45 degree angle. try them both on one cone, on separate cones, etc.
seriously man, i could write for hours on what you COULD do. but nothing that i write will actually give you a sonic sample of the result. you just gotta fuckin get up and do it and find out what you like. thats what makes you into a good audio engineer.
its really that simple... setting your amp to a different tone in hopes it will sound different once recorded is... stupid. It wont happen. You can edit the hell out of it and adjust the EQ once its recorded, but pushing all the highs wont make it sound like Band X Y or Z once its recorded.
the mics will impart their own unique character... the only thing you can do is EXPERIMENT. Try it out. Record some guitar tracks, and analyze the sound. Is it too brittle? Roll back the highs a bit. Kinda muddy? Boost the mids. Not oopmh-y enough? boost the bass a bit.
PERSONALLY, what I do is boost the lows and lower mids and the highs a little bit, because that gives you the scooped-mids tonal character without ACTUALLY having the mids scooped out: they are still there, so it will cut through.
I also use a Boss EQ pedal, because amp EQ's don't do jack shit unless they're active, and afaik, only Mesa uses active EQ. It really is AMAZING what you can do with your sound when you get an EQ pedal. Its easily the most important piece of gear in my rig, and I've used it with every amp I've owned, from my old Marshall, to my 5150, and now my Carvin Belair.
also, if you want to get a better overall sound, adjust the EQ on the 2nd track, because recording a 2nd track with the EXACT same setup will result in odd phasing issues because you aren't going to be playing the exact same thing, even though the tone is the same. There will be slight timing issues, and it will muddy up the sound. Make the two tracks distinct.
I suggest starting with whatever your prefered overall tone is, and then for the 2nd track, take out a little bit of the bass and pump up the mids to give it a lot of attack and pressence, because that will blend with the oomph you'll get from the initial track to create an overall guitar tone that is both present and in your face, but still thick and fat with bottom end.
Mic placement also matters.
but seriously man, theres no right answer. the only thing you can do is experiment until you find what you like.
Try plaacing the mics directly facing the speaker cone, and then try placing it at a 45 degree angle. or do both mics at once, with one facing directly and one at a 45 degree angle. try them both on one cone, on separate cones, etc.
seriously man, i could write for hours on what you COULD do. but nothing that i write will actually give you a sonic sample of the result. you just gotta fuckin get up and do it and find out what you like. thats what makes you into a good audio engineer.
Harry Hughes
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Honestly, 10 inch speakers aren't really the kind speakers you'd want for metal. 12 inch is the industry standard for a reason.
Head on down to the Andy Sneap forum for more advice.
Plenty to read.
Just remember not to ask dumb questions, you'll get your head ripped off by experienced members, use the search function and there is a good chance you can find what you need
Head on down to the Andy Sneap forum for more advice.
Plenty to read.
Just remember not to ask dumb questions, you'll get your head ripped off by experienced members, use the search function and there is a good chance you can find what you need
mick thompson
AKA: Ross Canpolat! SM!
right go here and go to production tips in the sneap forum - you'll learn more then you learned in school - this is where i live along with a load of other metal engineers & musicians - you want tone perfection you'll find it here
link: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap-151/
link: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap-151/
