How to get this inmense Snare Verb drum sound (Lamb of God)
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aramism
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a lot of that is compressed room drums and proper reverb.
you can achieve similar by compressing a z4 sample or some sort of room sample if you are using natural drums with a hard gate on it, and also try different reverbs that sound similar and mess with the decay times and even the gate perhaps.
it's tricky but definitely far from impossible.
i've achieved a "big snare" sound through methods like that. IIRC i basically compress and gate the hell out of the source snare track if its natural. maybe augment a non dynamic crack or ping layer about 15-20% of volume for a consistency. then i'll send all the drums to one like convolution reverb (altiverb, waves ir maybe) to give them general size. then i will have multiple reverbs set up. one will be a smaller and shorter "pow" type reverb from the snare. and another will be generated by using a z4 sample that sounds like the natural snare or what i want the ambience to sound like and i will compress the z4 a lot and i think i may have even used an expander and a gate on the z4 to get a really crazy sound. sometimes i will even send the z4 a small amount to a reverb if i gate it or something.
hall, plate reverbs should be your best bet when it comes to the main sound. but definetly need some sort of room sound. if you don't have a real room mic, or slate samples, you can create a fake room by basically creating a separate track and setting the snare there with convolution reverb set to a studio or some sort of room to give it an acoustic space, and then mess with compressing that to try to mimic a room. but goddamn a slate z4 is so much easier.
i may have a drum stem i burned down from one project that comes in mind a while ago laying around somewhere i'll try to look and post hopefully it helps.
you can achieve similar by compressing a z4 sample or some sort of room sample if you are using natural drums with a hard gate on it, and also try different reverbs that sound similar and mess with the decay times and even the gate perhaps.
it's tricky but definitely far from impossible.
i've achieved a "big snare" sound through methods like that. IIRC i basically compress and gate the hell out of the source snare track if its natural. maybe augment a non dynamic crack or ping layer about 15-20% of volume for a consistency. then i'll send all the drums to one like convolution reverb (altiverb, waves ir maybe) to give them general size. then i will have multiple reverbs set up. one will be a smaller and shorter "pow" type reverb from the snare. and another will be generated by using a z4 sample that sounds like the natural snare or what i want the ambience to sound like and i will compress the z4 a lot and i think i may have even used an expander and a gate on the z4 to get a really crazy sound. sometimes i will even send the z4 a small amount to a reverb if i gate it or something.
hall, plate reverbs should be your best bet when it comes to the main sound. but definetly need some sort of room sound. if you don't have a real room mic, or slate samples, you can create a fake room by basically creating a separate track and setting the snare there with convolution reverb set to a studio or some sort of room to give it an acoustic space, and then mess with compressing that to try to mimic a room. but goddamn a slate z4 is so much easier.
i may have a drum stem i burned down from one project that comes in mind a while ago laying around somewhere i'll try to look and post hopefully it helps.
aramism
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oh here it is... project was from 2009. from final unmastered mix. simliar technique to what i described above, compressed z4, gated natural snare, different reverbs and a dynamic-less constant sample underneath tucked in with a different reverb i think, and also i think i had another reverb with an expander on it and a gate post.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17606589/DRUM STEM.mp3
keep in mind this was not really heavy metal more like a linkin park/rammstein sort of thing so lamb of god was the furthest from intentions as far as production or whatever so the snare isn;t exactly the same but its the same theory for me just would have to use different verbs etc. and eq the verbs differently.
and FYI the LOG sample up above def has an augmented electronic or some sort of gunshot type pingy thing which has been compressed to hell and processed with reverb and a slow release or something as it kind of tightens then contracts to give it that "aouuwwww" sound along with the reverb. so there are multiple samples and a lot of processing at play there. not gonna work with just one snare sound and reverb.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17606589/DRUM STEM.mp3
keep in mind this was not really heavy metal more like a linkin park/rammstein sort of thing so lamb of god was the furthest from intentions as far as production or whatever so the snare isn;t exactly the same but its the same theory for me just would have to use different verbs etc. and eq the verbs differently.
and FYI the LOG sample up above def has an augmented electronic or some sort of gunshot type pingy thing which has been compressed to hell and processed with reverb and a slow release or something as it kind of tightens then contracts to give it that "aouuwwww" sound along with the reverb. so there are multiple samples and a lot of processing at play there. not gonna work with just one snare sound and reverb.
Well, I was trying the different things you proposed in your posts, and I reached like 90% of the goal by compressing the snare.
I put a compressor (Vcomp) after the reverb (I had to change the algorhythm from plate to a sorter room, because, once the compressor kicks in, it ends up with a huge and uncontrol reverb) with fast attack, fast release and like 3db gain reduction, and it worked perfectly. Now I just have to bypass the compressor in some fast riffs!!
Thanks a ton for your help!
I put a compressor (Vcomp) after the reverb (I had to change the algorhythm from plate to a sorter room, because, once the compressor kicks in, it ends up with a huge and uncontrol reverb) with fast attack, fast release and like 3db gain reduction, and it worked perfectly. Now I just have to bypass the compressor in some fast riffs!!
Thanks a ton for your help!
sounds like an ancientttttttt reverb unit was used. sounds like a real short EMT style plate.... or maybe some kind of AMS variety... maybe even an SPX-90. Haha. IDK.
i only have experience with those units via impulses... but i'd try auditioning a bunch of impulses from the above units....
i only have experience with those units via impulses... but i'd try auditioning a bunch of impulses from the above units....
