How you like your Progmetal?

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Hey all,

I'm currently doing some research for some things I am working on and
I was wondering what do you like to see in a Progmetal album?
Give me all the details, whether it's keyboards, heavy riffs , emotional balads.
All you can think of please.

Thanks
 
I like to see attitude and passion in my prog metal. Other than that, I just want to hear well written and interesting music that isn't just an album to show off the individual skills of the people in the band.
 
I like to see attitude and passion in my prog metal. Other than that, I just want to hear well written and interesting music that isn't just an album to show off the individual skills of the people in the band.



Me too. Endless, dry wanking is good in sporadic bits, but show me a well-written, emotional-yet technically impressive album any day of the week. Oh yeah, and some heavy, meaty guitar-riffing is always a necessity as well.

In other words, Evergrey.

That is, until that last piece of garbage they put out.:puke:

If I had not known that was them before throwing it on, I never would have guessed it. Rather unfortunate, IMO.
 
i like to hear soaring beautiful vocals and epic songs that are break away from being generic.

which most prog metal doesnt usually have a problem with sounding generic, i think that is more of a problem in power or traditional metal.
 
It really depends.

If it's a concept album, there's TONS of things. Riffs and melodies crossing over between songs. The intro of the album somehow tied to the end of the album. Vocals that change in timbre and tone depending on the ideas in the album, or characters of a story.

For straight up prog metal, I wanna hear lots of musical experimentation, while keeping a very solid foundation. Bands like Spiral Architect, while fascinating and talented, don't keep my attention because it gets too out of control and crazy while losing a tangible hook to the song. I love craziness, but I gotta have melody AND stability.

I also MUST hear a singer who can do on the stage what he did on the album. I can't stand singers who do amazing stuff for an album, but can't recreate it on stage. Drummers who can drum so furiously fast in perfect conditions, but slop it up while on the road. Guitarists who need 1000 layers of effects and sounds, but it doesn't sound the same on stage. Write amazing music, but don't rely on the magic of studio wizardry too heavily. Shaaman's first album was miraculous and perfect. Absolutely one of my favorite albums. And the live DVD was just as perfect. I even dug some of the changes and differences, as opposed to being annoyed or dissapointed. The guitar tone on the DVD was so ripping and strong, it cut like a chainsaw. Iced Earth is another example, where I like their live music just as much than their studio work. Maybe even more.

Here's a real pet peeve that I want to hear corrected in the future. Everyone knows how "perfect" albums are becoming from a production point, especially the volume levels of a recording. Dynamics are being tossed out the window in favor of being louder and stronger and pushing those studio compressors as hard as possible. There's a reason why old acoustic Blind Guardian still kicks so much ass, why Angra's Holy Land is still so mesmerizing to listen to the slower, emotional songs, why everyone still holds Dream Theater's Images And Words as their finest work. They didn't overdo it with the technology in the studio.

I want variety in an album. I don't want every song to sound the same. Yeah, this is the HARDEST to control of anything I've said. I understand this, cuz a band is who they are, by the songs they write. You can't force a band to say, "Okay, there's too many fast songs, time for a slow one." But it's more than that. Vocal range, riff structure, compositions and arrangements. Brainstorm's Soul Temptation was a terrific album. It rocked from front to back. But all the songs seemed to carry the same tempo. Liquid Monster was far worse, though. That album, while technically perfect, was very monotone in its sound and very stagnant with its riffs and tempos and feel. Another example would be Mystic Prophecy. Their songs are awesome, their riffs are heavy as all doohickey, but the vocals were the same three notes sung over and over. He's got such a forceful, aggressive voice, but he camps out in the same range of his voice. They need to stop chugging on just the E string, and give their singer a chance to move his voice up and down, and get out of the pocket. Their latest album was far improved, but they still got some room for improvement.

Shit, this became a far larger post than I expected!
 
Like a couple others have said - well written songs (non-generic riffs, inventive chord progressions and melodies, ect) and not putting 100% focus on wankery.

However, I think the most important thing is creativity. Trying new things not purely for the sake of experimentation and oddness, but because it sounds cool. This is why Pain of Salvation is one of my favorite bands (I'll probably take some shit for saying that considering the forum I'm on). They're always doing something cool and unique on every album.
 
How you like your progmetal?

Well done with no mushrooms and swiss cheese....:lol:


Actually, I really can't describe my favorite "type" of progmetal... It's really whatever sounds good to me... As long as you cut a little on the Dream Theater influence, it's all good (however, DT and some of the influenced bands are great!!)
 
Conviction.

I want to feel the band has something to SAY and that it MATTERS. I want that message to come through with force and relevance.

Originality.

This is prog we're talking about, it better be damn PROGRESSIVE. and no, I don't mean widdly widdly wanky. I mean it pushes boundaries lyrically, conceptually, technically, or otherwise. If it's not progressive, it better be damn near perfect, which makes it an acceptable genre standard.

that's it.
I do not care at ALL about:
who is in the band
how popular the band is
how technical the album is
what instruments are used on the album
 
I like conceptual epics. I like emotional singers. I like technical and time signiture changes and elements, but for the most part I don't want it to overwhelm the flow. I love tasteful guitar solos but hate endless wankering. I like atmospheric elements that take me somewhere else. I like the sound of classical elements and for lack of a better word, a movie soundtrack feel. And I like vocal harmonies, they always improve the feel and create a more full sound.

Those ingredients make for some of the tastiest Prog for me...

But I enjoy many styles in the prog genre...

Brett
 
H-E-A-V-Y.

I hate wimpy prog.

Well, not all of it. I like Tiles, and I like Leviathan (the 90s prog metal band), and I like a few other lite prog bands. But for the most part, I listen to prog metal for the metal aspect, rather than the prog aspect.
 
Excellence in everything. Excellent high range/pitch/tone singing, melody, energy, progressiveness/technicality/time changes which helps to keep it interesting and not repetitive, exotic influences demonstrating wide grasp of musical understanding (classical, folk, opera, world, spanish, middle eastern, indian, arabic, jazz, asian, etc) heaviness, uniqueness. Creative Academic/Academy quality level, aim, and production is almost always my thing in art/music or whatever.

It can be slower, middle speed/energy, heavy, or really heavy, as long as it's done well. If it has death or gritty vocals it should be balanced with clean vocals, but either way they must leave a good impression, passable is passable, pretty good is pretty good.

Though I like some mid range singers as well,but I rarely like lower range, though IF they're just so cool, full of character, or unique and good in their own right, and can pull it off then great. I can't take a lot of it but it's also nice to listen to. I definitely preffer mid range register singers to lower range any day, but if there a choice between only those two I'll most likely choose mid range. The less their singing is like talking, and more like singing (ie higher, or even some mid) then coolbeans. There are few death/black metal voices that I like, Chuck Shuldiner is one of them, Dimmu, and At the Gates are some others.


My Myspace page shows examples of what I consider to fullfill this kind of criteria in terms of what I'm looking for in music. If a singer can do his/her own voice AND other styles of singing that can be really cool. I think some of the best vocalists are Andre Matos of Angra/Shamaan etc, Toshi formerly from X-Japan, Vitor from Aquaria, Michael from Circus Maximus, Tarja of Nightwish, Jim Foss of Sea of Dreams, Fabio of Rhapsody, Lance formerly of Pyramaze, Olaf of Luca Turilli, Stu of Into Eternity, Sharon of Within Temptation, Simmone of Epica etc..

Bottom line I guess in terms of what is most important is excellence in singing and excellence in the composition of the song writing. I love mind blowing genius, and I think that is demonstrated by having a good control over a balance of the theoretical and the emotional in the songs they write or produce.
 
I listen to several prog and power metal bands, SEVERAL. Originality is great BUT, I am all about good songs. I don't care if I like a DT clone or a Symphony X clone as long as the songs grab me, BOTTOM LINE. Some of the bands I currently enjoy are : Empyrios, Art of Simplicity, Overlife, Scenery Channel, Darwin's Radio, and the new THRESHOLD completely rules my player.
 
Mainly songs that attractive females will listen to;)
Just kidding.

Actually I think the best progmetal albums know exactly what they are trying to accomplish and do it extremely well. Keyboards, heaviness, soloing, etc...how much or how little doesn't matter as long as there usage has a point. Oh, and the best progmetal doesn't get boring because you are able to find something new each time you listen to it.