I am TRYING to get legit guitar tone. thoughts?

[ForefrontStudio]

dude
try lowpassing just a little
its got a bit too much sparkle

let me know if that works
i dont want to give you the wrong advice
so let me know

guitars are lowpassed and highpassed (except for the most recent, which is not lowpassed)

what is your goal man? just aimlessly shooting in the dark?

I would bring up the bass guitar a lot more (if it even is there)

I'm trying to get POD Tact! haha. jk. I'm trying to get the most ballzy and natural sounding guitars I can from PF. I'm trying to take my guitars to the next level. they are currently the weakest part of my recordings, and I think if I can really nail down a huge, meaty sound, I will do a lot better. This is eventually what I wanna do for a living. I've just got some hurdles to cross before I can get there. maybe my time is better spent working with actual amps? I've tried a few times to mic up a cab, and didn't have much luck. or maybe I need to suck it up and pick up an axe fx or something.

ahjteam is right
try highpassing the guitar at around..oh i dont know 100 to maybe 300..depending on your guitar tone
and try and get to glue the bass and guitar to make it sound like their working together!

Think of two titties rubbing against each other
(thats the breast....best example i can give)

good luck

highpassing that high well cut the balls off the tone... 300? seriously? I highpassed at 80hz then on another EQ insert, boosted around 100hz... although, I guess if you're using the two titties approach, you wouldn't want it to have balls. haha.

I think the problem is not the guitar tone it is the balance between the instruments.

Dont know if your track has a bass guitar but clearly no vocals

So I would check some pro-productions on parts without vocals to check the balance of them....

what do you mean "check some pro-productions"? there is bass in the sample. if I were to mute it and post another sample, you would notice a big difference. I am normally a fan of having bass pretty low in the mix, just to give some low end and balls to the guitar (on most mixes). a lot like Adam D does. I toyed around with the idea of tracking some vox, just for mixing purposes. but I'm not much of a vocalist (at least not at screaming). this is just a short clip I wrote to test guitar tones, but maybe that is part of my problem.

 

[Nuno Filipe]

Highpass at 300?:zombie: 150 is already too high.

 

[ForefrontStudio]

Highpass at 300?:zombie: 150 is already too high.

haha. that's what I thought. I usually highpass 50-80

 

[AEL89]

Line Level Recordings is clearly inexperienced, no offence - I'm sure you'd admit the same.

Having said that I'll sometimes hi-pass up to 120 or 130 and give the bass a ton of dirt and balls and mix it in so its in your face, like this:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1041607/01 Arbiter mix of doom.mp3

This is the first thing I recorded and I went back to mix it when I knew my shit a little better. These guitars are hi-passed at 120 and the bass is really prominent and growly. Ignore the intro - the high gain stuff comes in after

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Line Level Recordings is clearly inexperienced, no offence - I'm sure you'd admit the same.

Having said that I'll sometimes hi-pass up to 120 or 130 and give the bass a ton of dirt and balls and mix it in so its in your face, like this:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1041607/01 Arbiter mix of doom.mp3

This is the first thing I recorded and I went back to mix it when I knew my shit a little better. These guitars are hi-passed at 120 and the bass is really prominent and growly. Ignore the intro - the high gain stuff comes in after

i swear
some people just like to talk shit...
why am i inexperienced?
cause i dont low pass the same amount as you do?
it all depends on the raw tone

 

[AllanD]

I've done a rock/funk band where I had to cut up to 200k. It all depends on the genre.

 

[ForefrontStudio]

it all fucking depends on the raw tone

umm... no because all the low end balls of guitar tone are.... in the low end. go figure. most of the real "oomf" is right around 100hz, especially for palm mutes. that's why I cut at 80hz, then boosted a bit around 150hz. to bring out that 100hz balls that you feel in your chest.

by the way... didn't you used to have links to your myspace/recordings? I'm pretty sure I listened to them a few weeks back...

 

[Unavailable]

Yeah, I can't imagine a metal guitar tone high passed at 300hz sounding good at all.

 

[Line Level Recordings]

umm... no because all the low end balls of guitar tone are.... in the low end. go figure. most of the real "oomf" is right around 100hz, especially for palm mutes. that's why I cut at 80hz, then boosted a bit around 150hz. to bring out that 100hz balls that you feel in your chest.

by the way... didn't you used to have links to your myspace/recordings? I'm pretty sure I listened to them a few weeks back...

lol oh you mean the recordings iv done 5 months ago ?
and what does it matter what my old recordings sounded like in the past.
iv gotten alot better and learned alot more.
so..why you gatta bust balls?
im just trying to give you suggestions to help you ?

 

[Line Level Recordings]

ok
let me try this again

i think i see what tone your trying to go for.
so
listen to Nuno when he said to cut around 500hz and 800hz

but for my taste (if your interested in my opinion)
boost at 2500 Hz by around 2 db...
boost at around 1500 Hz by 1 - 2 db
and at around 6100 Hz.. cut a little bit to get that digital hi end im hearing

..thats my educated guess..
and thats just my taste/opinion

oh..is there bass on those tracks??? :S

good luck man

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Yeah, I can't imagine a metal guitar tone high passed at 300hz sounding good at all.

...yea i guess your right...
i was thinking about one time where i was trying to blend this guys guitar tone with a distorted bass tone for a unique sound they wanted...

 

[Harry Hughes]

300Hz sounds more like an appropriate high pass for lead guitars. 150Hz is the highest I'd go for rhythms/

 

[Line Level Recordings]

yea
depending on wheres the sweetest tone in the bass is where i go by high passing
cause i would want to keep the nice low mid grind on the bass and yet have a killer guitar tone.
usually i highpass guitars at about 100 or soo

 

[gabriel g.]

With balancing I mean:

Take for example Andy sneaps: KSE - the end of heartache. Turn down the level and check with closed eyes what you can hear. Check out the phantom middle. Turn it up very loud and concentrate on the kick drum and the bass guitar. Take a low-pass and check out were each instrument starts, same with a high-pass......