I swear to F**KING god....

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James Murphy

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[RANT]... that if i get even ONE MORE Pro Tools file sent to me to mix, that i KNOW was recorded in Pro Tools from the beginning, that just has the click on an audio track, flown in from a drum machine... and Pro Tools still sitting on the default 120... my brain is going to implode, full stop. I mean, how hard is it???? just set the damned tempo, enable the Click plug-in and record... and then to not even note the tempo in the comments box? arrrgg:yell:gghhh!!!

this is why i normally call engineers up if i know in advance that i'm going to be mixing... and the amount of guys that have been working for years that i've had to school on how to set up tempo and meter maps and place markers properly is utterly mind-bending.

yes, i can figure out the tempo and put in markers myself... but i shouldn't have to ... that's the ENGINEER'S FUCKING JOB.... seriously, if you can't do that when the band uses a click, no matter what DAW you work with, you should not be charging money... not one penny.[/RANT]

there, i feel better. now it's time to make myself a lovely beverage and get down to the job of fixing the recording engineer's mistakes... when i really should be mixing. happy happy, joy joy.
 
lol, mate, I got the excat same situation. The engineer spent 40 mins reading the manual to find out about tempo maps, takin in that the band had to pay by the hour mind. annoying to the max :mad: So basically he gave me parts of the songs with clicks and the where there where tempo changes, all free free hand no click. i'm feelin your pain J, lol
 
chuck1703 said:
lol, mate, I got the excat same situation. The engineer spent 40 mins reading the manual to find out about tempo maps, takin in that the band had to pay by the hour mind. annoying to the max :mad: So basically he gave me parts of the songs with clicks and the where there where tempo changes, all free free hand no click. i'm feelin your pain J, lol
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man.. that's rough... there should be a regulatory agency with the power to shoot such offenders.. lol..

no, seriously.
 
personally i like to see the physical audio waves of the click on an audio track instead of the plug click, i dont use the plug click because i hate the sound of the beep, really un-musical and just damn annoys me (i know you can change the type, im sure you can even import audio samples of your choice). Plus if im doing any sort of audio chopping i dont want to be chopping drums that have been put to the grid using the plugin as their is still latency in that plugin, no latency in the physical audio dump click. Its horses for courses James, no one is wrong, just different methods :-) the thing with no markers or tempo maps is just pure lazy! your right, no excuses for people to do that, especially if they are not on mix and sending it to someone else.
 
all you have to do in that case is open an audio track and bus the Click plug to it...and record.. and yes, the Click plug has a drop-down menu with a couple dozen different sounds.. and you can choose to send the click out to any virtual instrument/sampler you want and load any sound you want... which you can then bus right to an audio track as before. There is a wrong way.. and i encounter it far too often. but yeah.. it's laziness or something... i'm not sure.. these guys don't even know how to make the tempo and meter maps quite often i find.
 
yep i agree, and they expect you to clean up and take all the crap out from the audio files aswell as make tempo maps and markers. Being lazy is just annoying! I always clean and fade as i go along, less headaches at the end. At least your getting decent work sent to you, you gotta be happy for that! :)
 
Although I'm nowhere near the level of stuff you're doing in terms of recording/mixing/mastering (and regarding experience in the "real" music world), your recent posts don't seem too unlike the concerns of the consulting business world (I'm in environmental consulting) where before projects are set up there's written proposals/contracts that state the scope of work and what is expected from the user/client.

Perhaps your stuff is more "under the table" or something, but if it's in writing that you'll provide a certain service if they provide a certain calibur of raw tracks or whatever, then there's no surprises when you send it back and say it's unacceptable. Just seems like the music world can be so loosey goosey, where there's handshake deals and no contractual obligations from these "professional" engineers. That'd piss me off too.
 
hey, on a related note I have a question. I am remixing a track i made a while ago with some old sequencers and samplers. I have the kick set 4 on the floor, and i remember it was set 4/4 time to some even numbered tempo. I tried using tab to transient and beat detective. Beat detective keeps giving me this crazy tempo with numbers way past the decimal point, and when i set the track to that tempo nothing lines up anyway. you got any idea what is going on...i thought i knew beat detective well apparantly not lol.
 
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