If Nokturnal Mortum were still on The End Records...

[Black Winter Day]

I thought you guys were a bunch of jerks.

What's to say we're not?

By the way, the Opeth retards came here first...

 

[NAD]

Hate Forest will probably end up in the top 5. I haven't listened to it for awhile. EDIT: pwzneonrr0roperd by shabby release dates again!!!

Yep, the Opeth fans came here first, but in war, there is no right or wrong!

Knobbykneed Mormons

 

[JayKeeley]

Four digits:

2003.

Which one? HF or NM? If NM, then I know. I'm just recommending it if he's listening to folky black stuff these days. And if HF, then that's debateable.

 

[JayKeeley]

Oh alright, I meant NM. I thought you were implying that it might knock HF down from his top spot for 2004.

Interestingly enough, I did see "ToV" listed somewhere as a '04 release, but I distinctly remember getting it at the end of '03 along with the first Drudkh album. Plus the fact that you had both Drudkh and NM in your '03 top 10, heh.

 

[Ayeka]

No idea about why they're on RR. I suppose maybe they want better US distribution or something, but as you say it's very much not a metal label. BTW, guess you mean Stellar Winter Vinland by "Vinland"?

They do have a fairly healthy NSBM section...68 titles, Absurd, Ad Hominem, Aryan Terrorism, Bilskirnir, Gauntlet's Sword, Forefather as I can remember off the top of my head...

 

[Erik]

cough Forefather isn't NS cough, but yeah... They still haven't RELEASED much NSBM stuff tho.

BTW, to hijack the thread, who has heard the new 2004 Forefather album?

 

[JayKeeley]

So I listened to "Goat Horns" today. Explain to me again how this is better than "Taste of Victory"?

Also, it just goes to show how genres are defined by vocal styles. You get a fat opera chick singing over some of that "Goat Horns" album and I'll give thee Nightwish.

 

[Ayeka]

cough Forefather isn't NS cough

Of course! But their Anglo-Saxon focus and somewhat patriotic stance would make them appeal to NS fans, ne?

but yeah... They still haven't RELEASED much NSBM stuff tho.

Ah, I see! That I agree with!

BTW, to hijack the thread, who has heard the new 2004 Forefather album?

Not me

 

[Erik]

 

[NAD]

That must make me waaaaaaay lower than poser faggot, since I just sold my copy of Goat Horns. :zombie:

That pictar = win.

 

[MajestikMøøse]

owned

 

[no country for old wainds]

So I listened to "Goat Horns" today. Explain to me again how this is better than "Taste of Victory"?

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174668

 

[JayKeeley]

Now I knew I would spark a reaction, but that is flabbergasting! Excellent work, young Erik. You really DO have too much time on your hands! Get a job you dirty hippy.

P.S. I thought my statement about Nightwish was funny and that someone might sig it.

 

[NAD]

I sigged that my pals thing. Just letting you know in case you don't have them turned on. Plus I just like saying the word my pals sometimes. my pals.

 

[JayKeeley]

Calling it cheesy is understandable in a way, it's certainly grandiose and symphonic which tends to be pretentious. In this case though, the structure is actually classically-based rather than just having orchestral aesthetics based around pop-structures, and the keyboards are textured expertly into the music. The opening "Black Moon Overture" could be mistaken for a tune from a Final Fantasy soundtrack...

Now someone could have written that same exact thing for Nightwish or Rhapsody -- which isn't a bad thing, I'm just sayin' that's all....

You know it, I know it, we all know it, but everyone's being a dirty liar because it's untrue or whatever. But let's be serious here for a second....

Seriously, my point is, if you take symphonic music in the manner that you've described and put *clean* vocals over it (same lyrics), how would it still be categorized in the same genre as NM? It wouldn't, thereby PROVING that vocals dictate 99% of a genre.

True or False?

 

[Erik]

Nokturnal Mortum with harsh vox = pagan metal
Nokturnal Mortum with clean vox = pagan metal

 

[JayKeeley]

Nokturnal Mortum with harsh vox = pagan metal
Nokturnal Mortum with clean vox = pagan metal

So it's the lyrics. So you can have someone singing like that bird in Nightwish, with music like Rhapsody, but with NM lyrics, and then it's Pagan Metal?

 

[JayKeeley]

Oh no, you're about to talk about ideaology aren't you?

 

[Erik]

OH KAWAIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiii^__________^;;;;;;;;;;;;;zOMG HAX!!!!11

Yeah, that's pretty much it -- "pagan metal" is like "viking metal"... I mean, The Enchanted, the Golden Lake band you sent me, call themselves pagan metal, and they're like death-thrash-trad-whatever, certainly nothing like Nokturnal Mortum. Then you have your Moonsorrows and your Scalds (dunno if they ever called themselves pagan/heathen metal but you get the point) and raw NSBM recorded on mom's kitchen tape recorder... eh

 

[JayKeeley]

OH KAWAIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiii^__________^;;;;;;;;;;;;;zOMG HAX!!!!11

Yeah, that's pretty much it -- "pagan metal" is like "viking metal"... I mean, The Enchanted, the Golden Lake band you sent me, call themselves pagan metal, and they're like death-thrash-trad-whatever, certainly nothing like Nokturnal Mortum. Then you have your Moonsorrows and your Scalds (dunno if they ever called themselves pagan/heathen metal but you get the point) and raw NSBM recorded on mom's kitchen tape recorder... eh

I understand, so I hope your estimation of me is somewhat rectified. I really was just testing the waters with the Nightwish jab... but at the end of the day, I really truly believe that ToV > Goat Horns.

OK, quick question - quick answer (because I know you've fielded this a million times recently): Do you know of any black metal band that sings with clean vocals? Are you of the opinion that Mercyful Fate were indeed black metal?