Improve scream recording

[Petrocker]

Having a lot of problem getting this shit right.
Sounds a bit to whispered, but just in the mix.

The chain is now:
Sure SM57 -> PSP Vintagewarmer -> EQ -> RComp

And heres a sample:
http://vicious.smyr.net/voxtest.mp3
NEW:
http://vicious.smyr.net/spityouout(cover).mp3

Some thoughts:
Should I cut some more highs to get rid of the whispering?
Maybe a preamp would do it?
Also, what would a vocal booth improve to the recordings?

Thanks in advance.
./Jonas

 

[AStacy2]

Get a better performance.

 

[Petrocker]

Get a better performance.

Not available mr. cheeky.

Heres the deal.
It sounds good in real life and solo'ed. But not in the mix.

 

[Koshpa]

DO you use pop filter when recording vocals?
Also add some more crispness to the vocals. And maybe you've overcompressed it.

 

[Petrocker]

DO you use pop filter when recording vocals?
Also add some more crispness to the vocals. And maybe you've overcompressed it.

Yes I do.
Crispiness = 7khz?
Well maby, I have one hell of a compressor on it

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Maybe use a bit of distortion.

 

[Petrocker]

Maybe use a bit of distortion.

Nah, I dont like using distortion on vocals. I rather use magneto or some other tape saturation plug

 

[2012]

automation

 

[Scissors61]

Not to be a dick, but all the vocals sounds kinda... Lazy, as if the vocalist couldn't really be bothered, especially during the gang vocal parts.

As someone else suggested, personally I'd try and re-track them.

The whole thing sounds good mix-wise though!

If you really can't re-track, then like Brett said, some distortion could help to liven things up a bit.

It does sound very whispered, but tbh, I think that really is more to do with the vocal performance rather than the way it's been mixed/processed... Also, It'd be cool to hear what the vox sound like on their own if that's possible?

 

[Petrocker]

Not to be a dick, but all the vocals sounds kinda... Lazy, as if the vocalist couldn't really be bothered, especially during the gang vocal parts.

As someone else suggested, personally I'd try and re-track them.

The whole thing sounds good mix-wise though!

If you really can't re-track, then like Brett said, some distortion could help to liven things up a bit.

It does sound very whispered, but tbh, I think that really is more to do with the vocal performance rather than the way it's been mixed/processed... Also, It'd be cool to hear what the vox sound like on their own if that's possible?

Thanks for the reply man!

I did this little thing just to test lay some vocals, nothing serious. (It is a cover)
I can try to re-track ém tomorrow and maby I´ll post the vox on their own.
Gotta think of the lazy thing :Smug:

I´m trying to get out as much as possible of it right now.

/Jonas

 

[PostMortem1666]

i agree with a tad bit of distortion. that would probably get some more power into those vocals. you dont have to use a whole lot just enough to add that extra grit.

 

[Petrocker]

i agree with a tad bit of distortion. that would probably get some more power into those vocals. you dont have to use a whole lot just enough to add that extra grit.

Ok
Will try it tomorrow

 

[Zack Uidl]

+1 to some distortion

 

[Petrocker]

Btw
Does anybody know how Matts vocals where processed on The poison? I know they are dubbed
I kinda like it, exept for the lyrics and clean singing witch is kinda gay

 

[ElektricEyez]

The PSP Vintagewarmer does add some distortion to if you dial it in right, a very mellow compressed distortion, try playing with some of the settings. Also keep in mind that live performance and studio work are 2 different animals. In the studio, your under the microscope as opposed to live, everything is loud as heck and might cover some of of the imperfections. I don't think your vocals are that bad tho.

 

[xFkx]

I find the T-Racks plugin much better on screamed vox than the Vintage Warmer


Just my 0.02

 

[Flal]

That's what a vocalist gets for listening to the zen of screaming....

 

[Suicide_As_Alibi]

The dude from Chimaira has made a career out of sounding exactly like that (less screaming, more laryngitus) so I shouldn't worry about it too much...

It's not so much that it's lacking crispness or thickness or anything; it's lacking in balls at the performance stage, which isn't really something you can add with post-processing. Vocals, more than anything I'd say, have to have the performance behind them in the first place - especially in metal, where most of the instruments are lacking in dynamics.

Saying that, you can always try to improve what you've got: boosting 4-6KHz might add some presence, and then really high up (like 14KHz+) can add crispness - though you need to balance it against any noise it adds.

If you can do a lower register growl, try overdubbing that and mixing it in using some pretty severe eq'ing on it (roll off from about 5KHz upwards, so you loose most of the nasality/sibilance etc., and boost the midrange a bit). Start off with it all the way down, and bring it up until the vocals sound fatter but you can't obviously hear the double tracking. Maybe try distorting that a bit rather than the main vocal (though you're really looking for 'overdrive' more than distortion I'd say).

Steve

 

[SM1214]

That's what a vocalist gets for listening to the zen of screaming....

Huh?

 

[Petrocker]

I did a new try today.
Made this one a bit lower.

http://vicious.smyr.net/spityouout(cover).mp3