Joe Horn: Hero or Murderer?

[Ars Magna]

Murderer. Sure...they may have entered the home and killed someone, but that isn't his call to make.

In Ohio (according to my boss who is an avid gun owner), it could be your house they are breaking into, with guns, and you may STILL be convicted of shooting them. You have to prove that you tried to flee and were unable to flee any further. If you're cornered with nowhere else to go, you can shoot if you feel your life is in danger.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

to arms, men, pancho villa's mustache-twirling banditos are pouring over the 'Merican border to rob the god-fearing white man of every penny he owns

had it been a bunch of polo-wearing white kids clearly stealing shit in the middle of the day, would he have shot? ah, good old-fashioned class warfare

 

[skeptik]

And if he did shoot, would people be supporting his action?

 

[Krilons Resa]

Citizen Justice beeutches.

 

[J.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

 

[J.]

Here's an excerpt from the transcript of Joe Horn's 911 call:

Horn: He’s coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I’m sorry, but he’s coming out the window.
Dispatcher: Don’t, don’t — don’t go out the door. Mr. Horn? Mr. Horn?
Horn: They just stole something. I’m going after them, I’m sorry.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside.
Horn: I ain’t letting them get away with this s--t. They stole something. They got a bag of something.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside the house.
Horn: I’m doing this.
Dispatcher: Mr. Horn, do not go outside the house.
Horn: I’m sorry. This ain’t right, buddy.
Dispatcher: You’re going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don’t care what you think.
Horn: You want to make a bet?
Dispatcher: OK? Stay in the house.
Horn: They’re getting away!
Dispatcher: That’s all right. Property’s not worth killing someone over, OK?
Horn: [curses]
Dispatcher: Don’t go out the house. Don’t be shooting nobody. I know you’re pissed and you’re frustrated, but don’t do it.
Horn: They got a bag of loot.
Dispatcher: OK. How big is the bag ... which way are they going?
Horn: I’m going outside. I’ll find out.
Dispatcher: I don’t want you going outside, Mr. Horn.
Horn: Well, here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside.
Horn: [yelling] Move, you’re dead!

 

[lurch70]

the old man sounded overzelaous from the wiki story and in some kind of vendetta mood. way overreacted to the situation.

makes a good chapter for the next Crash flick ...

 

[Krilons Resa]

ha!

 

[dorian gray]

In TN recently, the powers that be were trying to get the ability to kill inside your house extended to the porches/decks.









Awesome.

 

[Krilons Resa]

"Tennessee, Tennessee"

 

[dorian gray]

LOL!!!!! Here it is:
http://state.tn.us/sos/acts/105/pub/pc0210.pdf

You can shoot people from the roof of your car if you want

 

[Krilons Resa]

thats how we should start voting.

 

[dorian gray]

Yeah, so some of the caveats of these laws are just ridiculous. Like "duty-to-retreat". So you and your family have been cornered in your pitch black bedroom by two gun-toting, wife-rapin thugs and you have to state (and apparently make a record of) "I've no where else to go, I will now use deadly force. Please stand back."

 

[dorian gray]

Any of you Aussies remember several years back when there was a rash of car-jackings? And someone came up with a couple of defense mechanisms? One was flames shooting out from under the car and the other was some kind of blade that cut off the legs of the would-be jackers.

 

[Ars Magna]

Yeah...that's what it's called...Duty to Retreat. It's unbelievable what this country has come to. Entitlement run rampant.

 

[skeptik]

Here's an excerpt from the transcript of Joe Horn's 911 call:

Horn: He’s coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I’m sorry, but he’s coming out the window.
Dispatcher: Don’t, don’t — don’t go out the door. Mr. Horn? Mr. Horn?
Horn: They just stole something. I’m going after them, I’m sorry.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside.
Horn: I ain’t letting them get away with this s--t. They stole something. They got a bag of something.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside the house.
Horn: I’m doing this.
Dispatcher: Mr. Horn, do not go outside the house.
Horn: I’m sorry. This ain’t right, buddy.
Dispatcher: You’re going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don’t care what you think.
Horn: You want to make a bet?
Dispatcher: OK? Stay in the house.
Horn: They’re getting away!
Dispatcher: That’s all right. Property’s not worth killing someone over, OK?
Horn: [curses]
Dispatcher: Don’t go out the house. Don’t be shooting nobody. I know you’re pissed and you’re frustrated, but don’t do it.
Horn: They got a bag of loot.
Dispatcher: OK. How big is the bag ... which way are they going?
Horn: I’m going outside. I’ll find out.
Dispatcher: I don’t want you going outside, Mr. Horn.
Horn: Well, here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside.
Horn: [yelling] Move, you’re dead!

What a stupid, senile piece of shit. This man is obviously not mentally fit to live within the confines of society.

 

[NAD]

bag of something > human life

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

yeah, actually I'd like to know what was in the bag
Was it a bag of dvds, old stained porno mags, or a bunch of Agalloch ebay rarities, etc?

 

[neal]

i do believe you should have the right to shoot people breaking into your house, but this guy went too far. yes, a human life is worth more than a bag of stuff, but i place very little value on the human life stealing your bag of stuff! this is shit that YOU worked hard for and some fucking scumbag who works for nothing is just going to come by and steal it because you look "rich" to him?! i know its a little different in Texas, but $200,000 will barely get you a crack house in the worst neighborhood here (and its not like the sacramento area is particularly nice or anything, and i actually live in davis which is even more $$$) so he doesnt sound very rich to me. burglars = worthless scum, but i guess this guy = murderer. shouldve aimed for the knees.

 

[Krilons Resa]

perhaps he's a bad shot?