Johnny is calling the election

[FerretallicA]

I would prefer to see a US empire rather than a radical Muslim one...call me a bigot.

omg ur such a fukin racist so narrow minded

 

[Shannow]

Given that AlQaeda (or should that be alCIAda) and the majority of radical islam was created, supported, armed, and funded by the U.S. during the cold war...i.e. the U.S. was quite happy with it while it served their purpose, they are reaping the seeds that they sowed.

There's got to be a better way of defusing the situation than inflaming the whole middle east.

 

[Dän]

While i wish there was, there isn't. You can't use diplomacy with non-state actors, such less terrorists, sometimes war is the only solution. And if you are able to strip down your blinkers you will see that.

 

[Shannow]

For exactly the same reasons, how can you fight terrorism with war ?

Kill 'em all and let God sort them out ?

Iraq was (not so) happily minding it's business, and we stroll in there and create chaos. Then the terrorists turned up there. And it's become a great breeding ground for a new generation of terrorists.

I heard one self obsessed yank on another BB who reckons the Iraq invasion was to provide a "decoy" to the terrorists, encouraging them to fight America in someone else's country rather than have them target the US.

 

[Goreripper]

You're really not revealing any unknown truths; there was an Iraq task force set up to pin them on something headed by people like Karl Rove.

Bush is right, CLinton waited, 3500 people died, should we wait longer? No attack on US since 2001 because of pro-active policy.

Besides, as soon as Bush entered the white house he had a massivly agressive Foreign policy, he wanted US to be the strongest in every area and spread democracy around the world, whats happening now is far from unexpected, 9/11 was just a propellant for the neo con agenda.

The US wants to promote "democracy" around the world, but only if it's the form of democracy they like. In 1970, Salvadore Allende of Chile became the world's first democratically elected Marxist-Socialist leader. In 1973 he was overthrown by a CIA-backed coup that installed Auguste Pinochet as a fascist military dictator. They want to do the same thing to Chavez in Venezuela, another democratically-elected leader. They'd probably try it in Bolivia too, except Venezuela has oceans of oil, and Bolivia only has coffee and cocaine.

 

[Spiff]

I'm off to see "The War on Democracy" by John Pilger tomorrow, about the US and what a great job they do intervening in the running of some South American countries.

 

[Goreripper]

Let me know what it's like! Pilger is awesome and I believe he actually interviews Chavez.

 

[Spiff]

Shall do.

 

[Southy]

Look up PNAC, The Project for a New American Century, there is some scary crap there, including how and what the U.S. Government needed to move focus from home problems to abroad, and how to spread 'Capitalist democracy' around the world

 

[Dän]

I know a fair bit about that... was started in 97 and people like cheney, rumsfeld and the ex-head of the WTO, the guy who was sacked for promoting is mistress or something, were in it. Bush is just a puppet of those people, very inexperienced. Under Clinton the Neocon rally grew greatly, largely due to his pussiness in international relations.

 

[Shannow]

and that's a good thing ?

that an unelected bunch of Right wing idealists basically run the world ?

 

[Spiff]

Let me know what it's like! Pilger is awesome and I believe he actually interviews Chavez.

I didn't care for it much to be honest. I'm a leftie like most here, but even I thought it was extremely one-sided. Very pro-Chavez - most of the first half of the film is about Venezuela - but it doesn't talk about why the US has interferred in South American for so long, about why the US wants Chavez gone, why they wanted Allende gone, why so much of the media in Venezuela wants Chavez gone, etc. As someone who doesn't know a hell of a lot about the whole thing I wanted some background info on it.

Five minutes after I left the cinema I was barely thinking about it.

 

[Goreripper]

Oh dear.

 

[Goreripper]

and that's a good thing ?

that an unelected bunch of Right wing idealists basically run the world ?

As long as they're not Commies, eh, Dan?

 

[Dän]

and that's a good thing ?

that an unelected bunch of Right wing idealists basically run the world ?

Did I say that? Cunt?

 

[Dän]

As long as they're not Commies, eh, Dan?

Neocons > Commies, so yes

 

[Spiff]

Oh dear.

But hey, it's got a great score on IMDB and has a 83% positive reviews on RottenTomatoes.com, so this is probably more of a case of me being a goose who should know more about the subject than it being a poor film.

 

[Goreripper]

I'm going to check it out. I thought the point was about the US pushing its own version of "democracy" on other places and using Venezuela as a current example because Chavez is a socialist whom they don't like.

 

[Goreripper]

Neocons > Commies, so yes

You realise that Neocons are war-mongering, Christian fundamentalists don't you?

 

[Dän]

They aren't; neocon is social conservatism economic liberalism, the American slant is war and religion.