Life Is Peachey is the ultimate KoRn album, although I prefer the way Untouchables sounds, the songs aren't all that, i still listen to Life Is Peachy! it is one of the best nu-metal albums, that and the Around The Fur Deftones album.
Korn - Untouchables
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robfromthedeep
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I heard some crazy stories about this record and why they came close to spending a million bucks on it (if you factor in living expenses)..
They tracked to a Euphonix system at 96k after having a "recording medium shootout". They tried protools, the euphonix, 24track 2 inch, a 16track 2 inch custom, and a few other things I can't remember.
Beinhorn and Fillipetti apparently spent days and days on getting sounds. Like trying a dozen kicks, and dozen snares, couple sets of toms....and then they'd move to mics.....try 6 different kick mics..ect ect ect.
Apparently at that time there was only 2 guys in LA who were considered "editors" when it came to the euphonix, so the band would work all day, and then at like 3am or something someone would run the files to the house of one of these guys. They'd then have to edit all through the night and return the files in the am for the band to keep working.
Korn also has a DBX 120 box, that they run on an aux for the guitars (and who knows what else). Essentially for every guitar track they'd have a "sub track" which was just nothing but low end that they'd mix in to the guitar tracks.
Once again, great info. Thanks.
Those are the sorts of budgets and methods most of us will never see in our lifetimes.
Those are the sorts of budgets and methods most of us will never see in our lifetimes.
Jesus, that's absolutely incredible about all that went into the production of that album...I wonder if anything other than the top pop acts can do stuff like that these days?
I also wonder how long it took them to recoup the expenses of the album's production...
I also wonder how long it took them to recoup the expenses of the album's production...
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Actually They rarely do recoup on the albums. You have to understand they were all living in houses that were like 10,000 a month which was put into the budget Plus they did some work in LA, Pheonix and Horse shoe bay in VAncouver so factor in travelling expenses for them and the engineers and stuff.
They make so much money touring (even now), and that's how they afford their lifestyle....they make MILLIONS every year in touring...even after their insane costs....
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Am I the only one who is a little uncomfortable with the Deftones being classified as Nu-Metal? To me they transcend any one genre.
gabriel g.
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I´m on your side!!!!!!
Deftones are IMO one of the first post-hardcore bands (when they started)
also Rage against the machine isnt Nu-Metal IMO
I heard some gossip that Untouchables cost around 5.000.000$ !!!!
And the record-sells were not that great, so the budget for TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR was like 50.000
IMO Untouchables sounds not that great. A production has to fit a band....
Issues had the best production IMO (and of course the better tracks)
I think when people blow out too much they just lose the spontaneity. They don't commit to anything and ultimately just lead to a lackluster album. Imagine how many better ways such money could have been spent.
smy1
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Ermz: often things like indecisiveness, fear of failure with the upcoming record and lack of direction (all very common during a career that's as long and successful as Korn's) lead to this. And the record company will obviously do/pay anything to get the product out because it always means money (even if that money is only geared to recoup the crazy advances) ...
smy1
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I say that they aren't nu-metal, because some of their stuff is nu-metal, but I do know what you mean. A lot of their stuff is very different to the standard 7 string, tuned down to A nu-metal riffs
Around The Fur still sends chills down my spine, and White Pony makes me shit myself some of its so fucking good
I was about to create this exact thread again in my absentmindedness. Instead I'll just bump it and say that this mix still absofuckinglutely rocks me. It's like a huge, dull, squishy ball of compression. The high mids sound so smeared and saturated - the whole thing has this cloud of awesome ambiance and huge bass. I love vibely productions like this that don't obsess over making every single track as audible as possible.
In fact it's so good that I can almost get over Jonathan Davis' incessant whine-vocals. The choruses where the vocals have actually been clamped down on and produced into something useful (like 'Blame') lead to an amazing, cohesive wall of sound that incinerates you.
To me this is a way better Wallace mix than the Linkin Park album everyone is always going on about.
Everything I've ever mixed just sounds like a shitty demo compared to this! Have to spend the next few years rectifying that. Heck, even STD sounds thin alongside.
In fact it's so good that I can almost get over Jonathan Davis' incessant whine-vocals. The choruses where the vocals have actually been clamped down on and produced into something useful (like 'Blame') lead to an amazing, cohesive wall of sound that incinerates you.
To me this is a way better Wallace mix than the Linkin Park album everyone is always going on about.
Everything I've ever mixed just sounds like a shitty demo compared to this! Have to spend the next few years rectifying that. Heck, even STD sounds thin alongside.
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I do dig this mix - Here to Stay has an awesome opening. The guitars are just noise until the bass comes in, then it all makes sense.
Wallace has a really unique sound, gets killer sounds from real drums.. but unfortunately he seems kind of 'outdated' in the modern mixing scene. His productions are way vibier, much more real, he keeps (almost) all of the real performances, but its really NOT a radio-ready sound (at least the modern definition of 'radio-ready'). MOAR SAMPLSE MOARE AUTOATUNE.
Wallace has a really unique sound, gets killer sounds from real drums.. but unfortunately he seems kind of 'outdated' in the modern mixing scene. His productions are way vibier, much more real, he keeps (almost) all of the real performances, but its really NOT a radio-ready sound (at least the modern definition of 'radio-ready'). MOAR SAMPLSE MOARE AUTOATUNE.
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GeertSamuel
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And that was still dissapointing for the label. I recall it being Korn's worst album sale till then..
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