Layering guitar tracks
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Loren Littlejohn
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MrLee
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as written in 1000 other threads: 4 (or maybe 5) takes: one 100% Left one 100% R one 80% L one 80% L. the fifth may be in the middle about 7 db lower than the others and muted when the vocalist sings.. havn not tried that 5 take thing, but somebody said it could be cool..
also, vary the guitar sound a little bit for each take..
btw im guessing you ment "panning" not align..
also, vary the guitar sound a little bit for each take..
btw im guessing you ment "panning" not align..
TheDude
Jocke Skog
You don't have to align the guitars, unless they're sloppy played. Use a rectifier (2 performances) for the wall and a 5150/Marshall (2 performances) for the definition.
Aaron Smith
Envisage Audio
Assuming you understand the layering concept, the proper way to align those layers is to play them consistently. If you're working with a guitarist who just can't do it, then you're better off just doing one track in each ear...which could still be challenging with a guitarist who doesn't really "feel" his playing.
That said, I just ordered VocAlign, and I'm curious how tight it can prepare DI tracks for reamping.
That said, I just ordered VocAlign, and I'm curious how tight it can prepare DI tracks for reamping.
broken81
Used by Protools
Please let me know about this i was a little curious about this plugin. Now did you order the stand alone program or the rtas plugin?
Russtopher
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I assume that if you go this route, you'd have your L side be 1 track of rectifier and 1 track of Marshall (as examples) blended together, and then the R side be the same, and panned to taste?
Yes, I'm a n00b
devouredremains
Matt Van Daele
I assume that if you go this route, you'd have your L side be 1 track of rectifier and 1 track of Marshall (as examples) blended together, and then the R side be the same, and panned to taste?
Yes, I'm a n00b
That is correct.
Yeah, 100/80/80/100 or straight 100s work well for that. Depending on where the frequently used cymbals and toms are you might deviate a little with the 'middle' tracks but that's about it. You might want to have some light compression on both pairs individually or on all guitars (maybe very light compression on both) but that's not usually needed - if the rhythm is fine but the dynamics fluctuate a bit, or if you want to make things sound more 'together' for any other reason, you can throw that in.
Jeff
Jeff
I know this what discussed a hundred times but what bothers me is:
When you layer multiple guitars you get a feeling of reverb because of little differences in tracks. So is there some program or plugin to align the tracks?
When you layer multiple guitars you get a feeling of reverb because of little differences in tracks. So is there some program or plugin to align the tracks?
I am not worried about my playing, I have been playing guitar for over 10 years actively and I know that my playing is not sloppy.
the aforementioned VocAlign... and/or a tight player
and personally I don't feel it sounds anything like reverb, it's more just depth to me, and thickness, but I also don't double the same amp on itself, so usually you get a different tone from the second amp, and thus a thickening, rather than any phasing or reverbish feel...
At least that's how I hear it...
Aaron Smith
Envisage Audio
Well I looked at a big grid on the VocAlign site about which versions have which capability, etc., and I got the basic "VocAlign Project for Pro Tools" one, which it says is an Audio Suite plug-in.
The funny thing is that on the manufacturer's site it costs $375, but over at Sweetwater, the exact same thing is $295...so of course I ordered it from Sweetwater. It would have been nice to be able to purchase and download immediately, but I can wait a few extra days to get the boxed version if it means saving $80!
Anyway, I'll definitely try the DI tracks through it, but I'm obviously excited to hear it at work on vocals, too.
that "reverb" sound comes from different notes being hit at different times
the only real fix is to play it again until it's right...to put shit into perspective for you, when the beatles were recording abbey road, paul mccartney would show up every morning before the rest of the band and do a couple vocal takes for 1 of the songs(don't remember which one). he did this every day for over 4 months, until he finally got a take that he was happy.
now do the math - 2 takes/day x 120 days = 240 tries until he got it right...and it's not like paul mccartney is some talentless hack, and it's not like he didn't have shitloads of experience by then. the only way to get it right, in the end, is to play it over and over and over until it is right.
jesterroot4
Member
vortex...
one close mic on a cab panned hard right, and an ambience mic for that guitar track panned hard left.
repeat with the double tracked part and swap around the panning.
random frequncies will go out of phase which can sound wicked during pinch/natural harmonics as they will move around the stereo field naturaly.
this will result in having more of a 'wall of sound' feel rather than having a mono source of guitar in each ear.
credit to Chris T
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jesterroot4
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Chris T did Black Sabbeth,
he invented the vortex by acident and has spend most of his life working out how to get the best out of the technique
he invented the vortex by acident and has spend most of his life working out how to get the best out of the technique
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This VocAlign sounds like Orc mischief to me. Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should do it.
egan.
daylightdies.com
Yeah but you can say that about anything DAW related...ever shift one word on a vocal take before? I sure have. That plug has been around for at least 8 years now if not longer-- it actually is alot more useful for ADR IMHO than for music.
