Led Zeppelin v.s. Black Sabbath

[JayKeeley]

You people are gay.

Seriously man, change the record. It's old now.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

That is bullshit I'm afraid. Even those who don't like Zeppelin as a matter of taste cannot deny the impact they had.

Noone denies Zeppelin's impact, and noone denies that Sabbath's impact was G R E A T E R and L A R G E R .
Just listen to the bands who covered Sabbath songs, or played in the tribute albums, or just say it when they ask their greatest influence.

 

[NAD]

There is no way no how that Sabbath had a greater influence than Zeppelin, just by sheer mass.

Every metal band was influenced by Black Sabbath.

Every rock band (as in any band post-1969 that so much as thought about an electric guitar) was influenced by Zeppelin.

 

[JayKeeley]

Noone denies Zeppelin's impact, and noone denies that Sabbath's impact was G R E A T E R and L A R G E R .

Perhaps in metal circles, but not generally. I think you'd find most serious rock musicians to be inspired by Zeppelin a lot more so than Sabbath. Look, don't get me wrong, I love Sabbath, and easily listen to them more than Zeppelin, but to say Sabbath influenced 'music' more than Zeppelin is absurd.

Example: Most guitarists who respect Iommi as a musician/songwriter are metal guitarists. Most rock/metal communities AND the rest of the world recognizes Page alongside people like Hendrix.

Just listen to the bands who covered Sabbath songs, or played in the tribute albums, or just say it when they ask their greatest influence.

All heavy metal.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

NAD: And who says that Black Sabbath havent influenced (a great number of) rock bands? Just check the whole "stoner rock" scene (for a start)

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Also most serious/great rock musicians mention other guitar players above Page (Uli John Roth, Hendrix, Richie Blackmore, Schenker)

 

[NAD]

NAD: And who says that Black Sabbath havent influenced (a great number of) rock bands? Just check the whole "stoner rock" scene (for a start)

My point is that Sabbath influenced (and continues to influence) certain sections of rock, whereas Zeppelin covers the whole pie.

This is kind of a silly thing to argue over so I'm going to stop, since I've said the same thing twice anyhow. :Spin:

 

[JayKeeley]

My point is that Sabbath influenced (and continues to influence) certain sections of rock, whereas Zeppelin covers the whole pie.

Right.

And Uli Jon Roth & Michael Schenker regarded above Jimmy frickin' Page? You gotta be shittin me, unless you're a closet Scorpions fan or sumtin'.

This is kind of a silly thing to argue over so I'm going to stop, since I've said the same thing twice anyhow. :Spin:

Say it a third time and you'll turn into Beetlejuice. Five times and Candyman will analy rape you with his hook.

 

[Carbonized]

See, this depends upon the criteria upon which you would have one choose one above the otther. If it were for material recorded over their careers (Ozzy era vs. Zep) i would choose Sabbath in a heartbeat. If you want to base upon impact and over all influence of other artists then i would have to begrudgingly bestow the winning accolades to Zep. Personally i don't really care for LZ, they have some good songs and all but to me, Sabbath were head and shoulders above LZ as far as artistic integrity goes. My 2 cents so i'm not voting if i don't know what i should base judgement on.

 

[Ayeka]

Michael Schenker is quite damn stunning, it must be said...

 

[NAD]

See, this depends upon the criteria upon which you would have one choose one above the otther. If it were for material recorded over their careers (Ozzy era vs. Zep) i would choose Sabbath in a heartbeat. If you want to base upon impact and over all influence of other artists then i would have to begrudgingly bestow the winning accolades to Zep. Personally i don't really care for LZ, they have some good songs and all but to me, Sabbath were head and shoulders above LZ as far as artistic integrity goes. My 2 cents so i'm not voting if i don't know what i should base judgement on.

I based my decision on the fact that Zeppelin kicked more ass than Sabbath.

Sabbath = x infinity
Zeppelin = x infinity + 1

 

[Carbonized]

I based my decision on the fact that Zeppelin kicked more ass than Sabbath.

Sabbath = x infinity
Zeppelin = x infinity + 1

subjective to your own personal tastes. i'm trying to be as objective as humanly possible and it's rather difficult

 

[lizard]

Black Sabbath has most definitely NOT always stood for integrity. what's the album attributed to "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi" where he and he alone is on the front and back covers? For a time, Iommi was plugging interchangeable boring parts into place, and producing what to most standards was mediocrity. Zeppelin is not really my cup of tea (which I've already said), but give them credit for putting alot of effort and integrity into what they issued, and when one of their pieces broke, they said, it wouldn't be the same anymore, and quit.

If you want to look at just the peak years with ozzy, sure, sabbath towers above all. but the "band" has made some total piles of shite as well.

 

[Carbonized]

Black Sabbath has most definitely NOT always stood for integrity. what's the album attributed to "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi" where he and he alone is on the front and back covers? For a time, Iommi was plugging interchangeable boring parts into place, and producing what to most standards was mediocrity. Zeppelin is not really my cup of tea (which I've already said), but give them credit for putting alot of effort and integrity into what they issued, and when one of their pieces broke, they said, it wouldn't be the same anymore, and quit.

If you want to look at just the peak years with ozzy, sure, sabbath towers above all. but the "band" has made some total piles of shite as well.

notice, i specifically pointed out Ozzy era since that time span more closely reflects Zepplins, to me at any rate.

 

[lizard]

ah okay
and Ayeka, Schenker is so capable of genius that it pisses me off to see him nowadays, making albums with which for all intents and purposes are with pickup bands. I don't know if his problem is drugs or alcohol or a general mental malaise, but he's just about lost any goodwill I have generated by his genius albums with UFO.

say what you will about Uli Roth, but he's blazing his own creative trail and not abusing his loyal cult fanbase with garbage.

 

[NAD]

but give them credit for putting alot of effort and integrity into what they issued, and when one of their pieces broke, they said, it wouldn't be the same anymore, and quit.

I've always respected that, because obviously they could have continued with another drummer. They did reconvene with Bonham's son for the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame once, didn't they?

Bonham is one of my all time favorite drummers, so basic but so perfect.

 

[lizard]

and so POWERFUL.

Bonham the Younger is on the latest UFO cd with Vinnie Moore taking over for the psycho Schenker.

 

[JayKeeley]

Now, I'm not saying that Schenker and Uli Jon Roth shouldn't command some high level of respect, but they're not in that 'supreme genius' status....

I would list Hendrix, Page, Iommi, Blackmore, Van Halen, and Rhoads before those two guys. In that order too since it's a likely natural progression over time.

 

[NAD]

Heehee, lizard doesn't really like Zep but has passion for them. Proof that they rule.

 

[lizard]

no, probably not genius status.

but between the two of them I would wager you have to say the building blocks of what is today a really metal country, namely Germany, are those two guys. Roth could be derivative of some hendrix, but he also brought his own sensibility to the music, and Schenker...like power metal or not, but he is the prototype melodic, lyrical Power metal axemeister. at least before he began not caring.